I just agreed with you that they are underperforming but there is a reason why Italy and France opted to go with Leos as their MBT IRL.
It’s not but the leopards thing, it’s the hey that’s modeled pretty damned well.
Bold statement from someone who hadn’t touched anything else except USA lol same could be said that you have to be dumb or have bad aim if you can’t even aim for the lfp or barrel/breech in a br where everything can laser range find? if you suck in Abrams you will 99% suck with playing anything else, it’s always the case, more to the player than the vehicle, I sucks hard at playing some vehicles and I can admit my incompetence, why can’t USA mains do the same lol always play the blame game, vehicle suck, premium noobs in aim or click bait suck, me no suck but I got negative kdr in my ooobroommmsss looooooool
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What? France opted to go with Leos? Do you do research?
Do they have Abram in service ? I don’t think so and I don’t larp in russian made game like you do. Go cry about abram more, that will help the thing get fixed
You sound like a child.
Yup, Leopard 3. It’s supposed to go to a few other countries as well
Did you say something , can you repeat that again please
Also here the Sepv2 for good measure , surely it is the worst out of all the top tier tank
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Wrong. France does NOT use Leopards, is not opting for Leopards, and has never operated Leopards. You don’t know anything other than ‘American tank’ and have made yourself clear. Do research before you pretend War Thunder is the basis of anything remotely real. The primary French tank is the Leclerc XLR, in hopes of being replaced by the EMBT; 50% KNDS-France (Nexter) 25% Rheinmetall, 25% KNDS-Deutschland (KMW) And is thus half native French anyways. The Italian MBT is the Ariete to be replaced by the KF-51 Panther.
Do some homework before pretending its you who gets the short end of the stick specifically
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That’s how I communicate effectively with a child.
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Lmfao really? Very disingenuous to take those photos without an 80 degree angle. Let’s also talk about dimensional differences. The t-series is tiny compared to almost every other tank in the game. Sure those hit boxes look large when you have every single model scaled to the same size in game. The LFP on the T-series is the same size as the hitbox for the Abram’s turret ring (including ricochet shots)
I’ve already agreed that other tanks need to be buffed. Did you see me deny that? You guys like being argumentative simply because I’ve pointed out an issue with the Abrams you don’t like. These same issues have already been accepted by Gaijin and are just sitting.
How about the rest ? I listed more than just T series speak about them as well or you can’t win unless you cherry pick some point that benefit you and your believer ? The last guy that responded to me like you did also avoid talking about other nation when they are being brought up to be compared to the US. The point of bringing them up not to say that Abram are the best , they certainly are not but they are not even the worst. But failing to address them just show me that 90% of the US le bad USSR russian biased believer are just delusional at best and outright blind at worst
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the thing about win rate is that generally they’re just carried by more competent players because they make less of a percentage of the team, while clickbait players will regularly make up almost a quarter of of team and especially if they’re single spawn it just isn’t fair. generally the most played vehicles in a nation in the same br will have roughly the same win rate because they’re in the same matches whether they win or lose, but the abrams have a comically large snapshot and a turret neck that produces a comical amount of spalling
Don’t forget the US still doesn’t have its current round. The A3 has been in service since the early 00s and the A4 version entered production in 2016. Other countries get their latest and greatest versions of their rounds and in some cases like Russia even get paper rounds that don’t even exist in some instances but the US plugs around with a round from the 80s. Skill issue with the premiums aside, when glaring issues like the older shells being the only ones available despite far better rounds existing, the spall liner/armor issues, and the fact the US still doesn’t have the V3 or the V4 SEP version, it looks and feels a lot like US top tier MBTs are getting the anti US propaganda treatment. Especially when you look at all the various versions of Russian MBTs added to their line up. Before anyone points out the V4 isn’t in service yet, I’d like the point out neither is the 2S38 but that didn’t stop it from being put in the game at a criminally low BR either.
Combine this with the US not having more SPAA assets in game like the M6, Stryker A1 IM-SHORAD, SL-AMRAAM, MADIS, and the Avenger just to name a few. The lack of more advanced light vehicles despite their existence in actual service while other countries have their top of the line SPAAs and light vehicles, in some cases even prototype vehicles like the 2S38 and it is pretty clear there is a top tier balance issue with the US and the gap is only getting bigger. The saying use to be Germany suffers. Now days you can say America suffers. At least when it comes to modern ground vehicles.
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The challenger, Leclerc and Ariete were never designed to fight head to head with other tanks. Such is reflected on their designs and military doctrines. That’s why you don’t see angling to deflect apfsds head on. The Abrams, Leo and Tseries are completely different in design. The angling of their armor is designed to deflect shots when on more flat terrain. It’s evident with just the armor angles.
Now if you took all those tanks that you are upset about and thought about how their nations military doctrines work, then the armor would make sense.
The Russians went about it in a different way. Instead of completely scrapping their tanks, they opted for Era plates angled in a way that would negate apfsds shots.
Classic response since you can’t deny what I said. If you weren’t a meta chaser why haven’t you played other top tier ground nations lately besides Sweden and a bit of Germany?
Also interesting 447 battles in your BVM you have there. If I’m supposed to be so much more sympathetic to Russia at top tier and supposedly don’t mind them stomping, why do you have more battles in your BVM than me then?
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Glad you ask and I have answer for it
it amuses me when seeing those Russian shoots at my UFP and turn out it did nothing and when i shoot back at them i killed them it always brings me joy seeing that those Russian can’t even aim weak spot after all which prove my point after all yeah I’m gonna admit i have no joy killing other in Uparmored Leopard except Russia.
hah isn’t that because i had more battle than you overall in every vehicle i had and yet you specifically asking me about Russian only?
Yet if you disliked the BVM stomping so much, surely you wouldn’t have played 447 games in it? Surely you wouldn’t want to partake in the same Russian stomping that you hate so much, unless you just chase the meta?
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Italy has a single Leopard and then they are stuck with godawful Arietes. Their lineup is still much worse than US one.
France gets 2A5/6 which honestly are on par with M1’s.
Saying that US gets punished the most is simply not true.
Oh, if you think I am chasing meta because of 447 battles on BVM mind do tell me that
My 674 battles in Challenger 2 and when is the Challenger 2 are meta?
Or my 457 battles on Ariete PSO and when is Ariete is meta?
because as i remember both of them has never been meta state once.
Italy was never known for their tanks. Cars yes, tanks no. I think they should drop in BR tbh.
Everyone is taking what I said out of context. I’m referring to the ricochets between the mantlet and the upper front plate that don’t happen on any other mbt in the game. Direct shots through the turret ring are fine. The missed shots are the problem, they automatically ricochet into the hull or upwards into the turret depending on where they first hit. Basically increases the whole hitbox of the Abrams to a point it’s unfair.
The first two shots are at a 40ish degree angle. These should be one hit kills and that’s not the problem.
It’s the shots taken after that. All of those 81+ degree shots penetrate after ricocheting. Even when penetrating sideways, there is no energy lost which completely knocks out the Abrams. The area there is badly modeled and missing a ton of thickness.
Just had my 14th battle in a row against US and RU on the same team.
Again when I play US I was only paired with RU twice out of 25 games.