Even with all that I’d say it’s easily sharing the spot with Type 10s right behind up-armored Leopards and BVM.
This is simply not true.
UFP can and will bounce shots away from the mantlet and turret ring.
See video I just added to prior post
Consider camera vertical angle.
Most of the UFP will bounce shots without doing any damage. We can test it out in a custom game if you want.
Past the bottom of the driver’s hatch. No one aims for where you are aiming. People are getting rewarded for bad turret ring shots by disabling the Abrams in that way.
You do realize this is a pretty awful argument, right ?
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How so? Try that with any other top tier MBT. It just doesn’t happen to anything other than the Abrams.
You shouldn’t just handwave parts of the hull armor that can’t be penned by using such “arguments”. M1s have better armor than plenty of other contemporaries.
Like I said, try that with any other MBT. Then try and make your argument again. You need to pixel hunt for those shots on any other mbt.
This does not matter as you have 2 crew in the hull.
Leopards (specifically the uparmored ones) are the only tanks where this is an issue, because of the drivers port weakspot not being reliable enough and the turret ring eating rounds too easily.
I doubt you’ll pixel hunt stuff like Arietes, Merkavas or Leclers.
You don’t need to accept it, but M1s have working armor that will save you from time to time.
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That is probably the number 1 reflex angle to aim for in a snapshot, anywhere slightly below the turret neck weakspot is a near guaranteed ricochet on the Abrams
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That doesn’t make sense. I should be happy badly placed shots ricochet because I’ll have two crew members left?
I sat here and tried every MBT, not one ricochet works like it does on the Abrams.
That’s my point, you don’t need to pixel hunt on the Abrams, just shoot in the general area and you’ll penetrate.
Thank you, seems that’s lost on other people
Read the second sentence of my post.
So because it works “sometimes” we all should just ignore the bugs and forget it was modeled wrong?
Oh no, people would actually have to work for their Abrams kills if they fixed it.
If you know how to hull down effectively in the HSTV-L (pointing the gun over your side), you are very hard to kill while still being able to fire back unless someone shoots your breech. Having two crew in the hull prevents turret shots from killing you.
Probably because the turret sticks so far over the hull unlike most top tier MBTs. And the UFP is also so well angled. Regardless, my point was that it doesn’t really matter for any tank besides the Leopards and Abrams whether they have this ricochet or not.
Ah thought you were talking about the Abrams. Yes it’s decent hull down because of the speed but in actuality, those 81 degree shots should be ricocheting.
The mantlet should be blocking any shot from penetrating there. It’s as thick as the turret cheeks, just not modeled correctly
Dude it is absolutely INSANE to me that Leo’s eat turret ring shots. I have put so many shots into the turret ring, and the turret ring only yellows. The breech yellows, the crew yellows or is fine, but the engine gets knocked out. Like how the effin frick is it even possible. How does a dart go through the tank and hurt nothing but the engine.
It happens so much, it’s like the only mostly reliable shot is shooting LFP. Even side shots, lag can mess up the impact point by you know about a half meter and it’s just enough to let the spall liner eat most of the spall that does damage. So now it can turn to shoot you, because of course no damage to the turret ring. Whereas if you were to hit an Abrams, Chally, leclerc they are disabled completely at a minimum. Not even mentioning t series, all the T series and Chinese tanks which blow up if you hit the side just about anywhere.
Barring the weird auto loader eating rounds like a t90m did yesterday where it ate 7 shots right to the ammo with black ammo, no detonation. It was the only shot I had at him so I had to keep repeating it.
Nothing makes me rage on this game quite like being paired with US at top tier, or shooting Leo’s and taking 2-3 shots to do what 1 shot does for every other nation.
This ends my Leo rant.
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Seen a couple people say this now, where is it coming from?
Few bugs got accepted
Your average German and Swedish mains are not that much better though, yet they have insane winrates.
I wonder why, maybe because the 2A7/122s are just absurdly strong?
Lol, it’s either third if you group all 122s as 1 vehicle and both 2A7s as 1 vehicle or it’s 6th, because the entire top 5 is made up of 122s and 2A7s.