Is US top tier too weak

Ricochet city vs easy breech + 33% of crew. Your choice.
M1s have better turrets than T-80s.

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Yes ricochet right into the lower mantlet either 1hko or disabling everything pertaining to the gun.

Why are you recording from up high ?

No, ricocheting away from the tank doing no damage.

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Turret ring bug and lower mantlet modeling. It’s well known and spoken of until US mains are blue in the face. You can hit anywhere on the UFP remotely close to the turret and shells will ricochet through the lower mantlet into the turret ring.

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higher chance to stop shrapnel without blowing up than to blow up so it more than balances out.

Yes, we’ll have to agree that even T-80’s relatively weak sabot goes through Abram’s fuel tank like butter.

Yes, it shows the loader was killed.

Fuel explosion? we’re talking about the extra shrapnel that the panels behind the fuel tanks create resulting in 100% chance of death.

They can cause they have a massive forehead “protecting” their breech.

I’m talking about turret roof dude, not UFP.
Speaking of UFP, it’s auto ricochet zone for the most part.

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Oh, yeah you can get shots there too. Usually through the upper breach which then it travels through the whole extent of the turret into the ammo rack

You really need some numbers to back it up. Otherwise it’s empty talk.

That fuel tank will never explode, which can’t be said for internal ones.

You really need to learn what only means.

Yes, that’s a mechanic in the game if you didn’t know.

That’s gun mantlet, not roof.

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How desperate a man can be to bring up a SINGLE tank and judge the entire nation. While forgetting that even before the introduction of such thing Italy already had that winrate.

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Yes, yes you do.

Irrelevant

Still irrelevant

cool.

yes, and it shows even when your gun isn’t, and unlike on the T-80, it’s a garanteed 1-shot 99% of the time.

Sound like skill issue , 99% of the T series tank die after their LFP get penetrated.

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Abrams always dies to LFP shot, T-80 sometimes dies to LFP shot. Modeling the autoloader to absorb shrapnel is complete BS.

Purely skill issue , then how are you dying so much in the T80U ? Shouldn’t those elements be saving you from shot ? Also due to many element , you can bounce the shot on the UFP. Despite it not being consistent. In the T series you aint dodging that

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By your logic, no Maus player would have ever died in Warthunder.

What ? how does that gotta do with this convo ? How desperate are you to have to bring in a 188 tons steel box that can’t even move to prove whatever you are on ?

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I mean we are talking about top tier, and we have already seen how a single tank can drastically change top tier winrates for a nation.

Just look at the M1, IPM1, 2A5, Strv 122A, 2A6, BVM and 2A7V during their respective release periods.

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No, I’m telling you that internal fuel tanks will explode, while external ones have 0% chance of doing so. You’re claiming this doesn’t matter as it’s “balanced” out by x% of times external ones not exploding. You really need some numbers to back it up, my claim is pretty factual on it’s own.

It’s pretty relevant as shots that hit only your fuel tank (and driver) might outright kill you in T-80s, while in M1s your chances of dying are none.

Pretty relevant as M1s don’t just lose a single crew member most times. Losing 2 crew, surviving and getting load time penalty is still better than losing 2 crew and dying.

Source ?

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Yeah I get that but a single 2A7 doesn’t change the fac that Italy player are just that good and their top tier still extremely mid. A single 2A7 doesn’t change the game , especially Italy is not the only nation having the tank

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2A7V has 2A6 as it’s backup.
2A7HU has Ariete as it’s backup.

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True, I would argue Italian, French, Japan and Israeli mains are generally better players than most other nations.

All other nations except maybe China and Britain all just have all around just pretty mid players in terms of skill.

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