Easily? most certainly not. Besides, there’s more than just the Rizztema and 2S38
Well, they would have to worry about their loader, if it weren’t for them dying to the first shot 90% of the time anyways
Yup. There’s more volumetric BS to absorb shells, aswell as fuel tanks. A side shot to the turret will kill any toptier tank, except Leo 2s.
Yeah those are really easy to kill by overpressure with HEAT.
They still need to lose one extra crew member to die, which is a positive.
Internal fuel tanks can and will explode killing the tank in the process, which can’t be said for external ones that M1s have in the front of their hull.
M1s have more empty space in general, don’t have ammo racks in the center of their hull and have extra crew member, so survivability will be better. This is a pretty logical conclusion and until you show some evidence that’s stating otherwise I’m afraid we have nothing else to talk about on this matter.
Completely irrelevant because Abrams has lower survivability. It’s very spacious meaning shrapnel can easily kill the entire crew, even with shots to the breech.
The fuel tanks on the Abrams don’t stop shells for some, and often times increase how much shrapnel is created. For T-80, it’s rare to even hit the fuel tanks, and even then, there’s a 50/50 chance to either explode or absorb the shell.
Shooting Abrams fuel tank from the front using a sabot is 100% chance to kill. Shotting T-80 fuel tank is 50% chance to kill.
More free space = better
Yes they do, just like side external fuel tanks on several other western tanks.
Tank itself is a large ammo rack surrounded by several (5) internal fuel tanks and crew. You can’t have worse layout than this.
And how many of those light tanks are actually good?
I really don’t have a horse in this race, but are you really ignoring the 2A7HU, one of the best tanks at top tier, that Italy has had for ~6 months now?
I don’t think either of them has any armor to write home about. Like both are just so easy to one shot.
M1s have pretty solid turret armor actually. It’s a direct comparison between the two and M1 wins it.
Fair. I just never aim for the turret so I personally don’t feel the difference that often.
If I see an Abrams it dies in 1-2 shots, if I see a Type 10 it also dies in 1-2 shots.
The Abrams isn’t “tanking a hit or two” any different than anyone else’s turret than can take darts. The Abrams is not “tanking” a hit or 2 once the round pens. If you’re lucky, your massive breech will be the only thing you lose and you repair it.
Anyone where else on the tank, it’s a OSK or OSD. Which is effectively the same thing unless you were going fast enough when hit to slide into cover.
The Abrams isn’t a Leo, where you can place a perfect side shot, and the spall line eats the round and the Leo can turn to you and shoot you. It’s not the BVM or 90M where, for example today, I side shot it perfectly with my TKX. First round entirely eating by era, he’s turning to me, I have enough time to follow up shot. The SECOND shot is then eaten by the spall liner and I think the fuel tank, or just spall liner. I placed 2 perfect shots on the same tank, and it was still able to turn and shoot me. This could have only been made eve more perfect if I was able to get a 3rd round off and the autoloader eats the round as does happen.
No, an Abrams is never doing either of these. It’s dead in the water once it’s penned. It’s a rarity to survive shots where you get to return fire.
The Abrams isn’t shit like people make it out to be, high skill floor/ceiling… that said, let’s call a spade a spade, it’s mid tier as far as the game goes.
It’s a nation saved by great CAS. Except now, Germany will have what is seemingly the best fighter and the best ground. We’ll have to see what release looks like and any nerfs once EF goes live.
I also disagree, US has probably the highest skill necessary to succeed in, because you have to overcome your teammates. Which is worse than any other nation, as evidenced by my abysmal U.S. stats of a bit over 1:1kd vs my approaching 3:1kd in Japan.
I simply don’t play my favorite nation anymore, it’s that bad these days.
Without a doubt it’s utterly, completely and totally true. Any shot that doesn’t out right kill me, normally leaves me able to return fire and kill who shot me. That ain’t happening in an Abrams. You’ll find out soon enough since you’re grinding it as you said.
A- it’s not at all niche, since type 10 has lower rear I can almost aim behind me at all times. Meaning I can park in front of a lane and if someone comes up behind me, just turn and wait, just like I did in t-series. It’s not at all niche, you just apparently don’t use it, so it’s niche for you. For people who have not been able to look behind them and had to adjust and make noise, like I did in an Abrams before, it’s a god send. I love Japan, paper armor or not.
The m1’s don’t need to worry about an autoloader, just their reload becoming slower then a t90m once they lose their loader. Which then slows their reload, meanwhile any loss of crew in a t series the round reload as normal. Not to mention those internal fuel tanks in t series eat rounds just like the Abrams ones do.
Shooting at enemies while having your back exposed is niche unless you’re an IS-2 or a TOG.
M1s losing only their loader is a rare sight, they’ll either lose two or more crew at a time. Guess what happens to T-tanks when they lose 2 crew ? Their reload speed goes to infinity because they’re back in the hangar.
They also explode, which can’t be said for external ones found in M1s.
it was before the addition of the 2A7… and that doesn’t answer for israel which still has a better winrate.
Nearly everything you wrote here is a mcMeme
Abrams has 40kph reverse for mobility category. That’s worth like 6 points out of 10 alone in favor of Abrams.
BVM has an huge roof weakspot section, making hulldown horribad.
Survivability cannot be the case outside of RNG autoloader rack shell absorb 1/40 battles. Abrams has indestructible ammo, 4 crew and better internal spacing.
HE is nothing compared to Abrams Proxy HEATFS and their new HE.
ATGM is completely useless. Turret MG is both better and worse.
Than again, you wouldn’t know this, considering you have never played top tier.
I mean Israel currently also seem to have a pretty low winrate, for obvious reasons.
Amazing how very often on leddit and the forums players constantly talking about things they have never experienced. Wonder why that is.
While I agree with him on the fact that the BVM is better for a majority of the maps and current gamestate. The abrams certianly has its advantages as well.
I’ll correct that for you.
More free space = shrapnel can kill the entire crew in one sweep and not get absorbed by internal modules.
Nope. They don’t.
false
50% chance to kill T-80, v.s 100% chance to kill Abrams.
It’s still overall slower. Reverse speed is only a QoL advantage, especially when the T-80’s reverse isn’t even slow.
Abrams has larger turret weakspot.
HEATFS proxy is nice, but HE is more useful.
Smh. Hit an Abrams there and it’s 100% death
Would be fine if those internal modules weren’t susceptible to blowing up themselves.
We’ll have to disagree on that one.
What’s false ?
In that picture other crew members were also killed, not just the loader.
0% chance to kill Abrams by Fuel explosion as those front ones do not explode and they introduce yet another thing for shells to bug onto.
M1s have flat roof so they can’t be shot and penetrated while not even showing their gun.
Very wrong. Can be penned through the gunshield and upper turret plate.
