Can confirm , my abram DIDN’T magically bounce shell on the side , at the front or even at the back and the shell that the SEP get is clearly way way too weak , I shot at a Leopard turret and it didn’t pen !!! This is unplayable. Not to mention the new top tier jet DIDN’T automatically give me kill when I spawn in. The US is clearly unplayable at this point
20%? maybe by 2-3% at best or possibly maintaining their current winning rate, because USA mains have orange cat brain cells and even all the clickbaits noobs ceased to exist still USA is getting their💩pushed in big time by average players who played all nations and understood their vehicle strength and weaknesses bro lol
USA needs v3 or removable era option for V2 ,another dogs hit mechanic for sure.
Good gun, but so does most for everyone else. Everyone has a good gun. That’s not to say some aren’t worse than others.
I don’t see the argument for ‘Good mobility’ anymore. The Abrams has gotten heavier and heavier where the difference in mobility is tangential. Mostly in regards for the NATO tanks. I know the warsaw tanks can be wishy-washy—the differences are usually so minute that it really doesn’t matter in these regards. if you want Mobility. Play the OG abrams or the MBT-70.
Armor at least matters as in a line up as you will either pull out a backup, or another variant of your tank—most likely it being a worse variant. At that point, it will have less capable ammunition and usually armor. If an opponent still has their meta variant, the armor is more effective against these tanks. And that’s where the issue lies…
It doesn’t matter what variant of the Abrams you have. If Gaijin added an Abrams with turret cheeks that have an effective thickness of 1000000mm of RHA. It wouldn’t add much because a T-62 could still lol bat the Abrams. While early APFSDS can penetrate the T-80BVM the area that can be penetrated is smaller than the cursor, and is about size of a cereal box.
When against the Leopard 2A7, it’s nearly invulnerable frontally to any very early APFSDS.
Just use protection map using a variety of APFSDS rounds from different vehicles. The Abrams literally gets stomped into the dirt with how easy it is to kill it.
The frontal weakspot is MASSIVE with DM23 on the Abrams
A 9.0 tank is an actual threat to the Abrams. Compared to the 2A7. Note the bright green around the turret ring.
People say this is due to how the Abrams is modeled, it’s missing a spall liner and a bunch of armor behind the turret ring, as well as stronger a stronger LFP. But I don’t know too much about that.
No most nations dont have abrams level gun handling and a consistent 5s reload, the challenger is limited to its 4 round ready rack which when depleted drops the reload to 10+ seconds and the leclerc has its own issues the japs have a good reload but have the worst gun handling to go with it
And yet its still one of the top MBTs in mobility
Early dart can still pen the same weakspots as late darts the t series tanks are not good against good players
Using the 2A7 as the crux of an argument is stupid since its the most broken thing ever added to ground its like comparing the 5.0-6.0 heavy tanks to eachover and then bringing out the Maus to prove the M6A1 is underperforming you dont do that.
The only abrams with a spall liner is the SepV3
The crying about the hull armour is just because there was some prototype hulls on shipping manifests that had DU for testing and subsequently US mains have been crying that every abrams needs DU hulls as a result ever since
For a tank that has a massive weakspot, it better have at least a small buff with it.
And again, Mobility doesn’t really matter as almost all the NATO tanks have very similar mobility.
It’s not a stupid argument because it’s in the game. Just going “ERM ERM ITS OP!!!” To discredit is not a good argument. It’s in the game, it’s a contender, therefore it counts too, and I wasn’t using only the Leopard 2A7, I was also using the T-80BVM. I just never showed it’s protection map.
Same DM23
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You can see how the weakspots shrink in size exponentially compared to the SEP V2. the LFP is small and low enough that unless you are close enough, or you got accuracy behind you. that weakspot is difficult to hit, and not only that, it’s not available at all times. If there’s a hill, it can be obscured. I’m not saying it’s hard to hit there often and you need constant god-tier accuracy to make the shot, but it’s a weakspot that can be mitigated with placement. The same with every tank with a bad LFP.
Why do you think I hadn’t really brought up the LFP on the Abrams besides that one admittedly unsure statement about it’s modeling? Because It’s a weakspot, but one that isn’t available to hit at all times—the same with all tanks.
Meanwhile with the M829A2. the turret cheeks are now viable targets
First, the point I’m making is that the weakspots in general usually get exponentially smaller against early darts—not immune, but against the Abrams, the same center of mass, easy to hit shot is always available. You almost can’t obscure it. it’s so massive, and dead center, full caliber rounds will sneak through.
The LFP on a T-80, Challeneger, Leopard, anything, is harder to hit as it can be obscured unless you’re on completely flat terrain or upclose. the Abrams’ turret ring is out almost ALL THE TIME. The Abrams has a massive weakspot high up enough that it sits dead center of mass that you almost can’t obscure (I really have to iterate almost). Secondly “The T series tanks aren’t good against good players” What kind of ephemeral stuff is this?
What’s a “Good” player? Give me something definitive. I can make the argument the MBT-70 should be 12.0 because “good players” know how to use it. The argument “Good players” doesn’t cut it. Because “Good player” Could entail some hypothetical person who’s an alien at the game, never misses, never loses, and able to hit their shots all the time.
Now compare it to DM53 or M829A2 because you’re missing my point which is: Weakspots in general get smaller against tanks with earlier APFSDS rounds. a LFP can be obscured by debris and hills. It’s not always a consistent shot to plink. It’s why I never talked about LFPs in the previous post. So yes, enjoy all your snark.
Could you also address the 6 other nations being mentioned as well. Cause I am sure other people as well as me wanna know how good they stand up against the M1. In term of armor only , we don’t talk about mobility , gun handling and other stuff. Please talk about them as well !
It is stupid , irrelevant even , you thought bringing up one of the best tank in the game to make your point more relevant and make other user forget that there are 6 other nation in the game.
It barely shrink and the SEV have more weakspot to play with
If i did this at first your point will be even more irrelevant. What the point of wall of text if 80% of that is just mad man rambling ?
Also please don’t DM other user cause you can’t address it , personal attack does not make your point better. It only make it worse.
US top tier isn’t weak
Lack of brain make them weak
The biggest problems with the Abrams is the crudely modeled lower mantlet which gets penned by everything when the rounds ricochets, the armor around the turret ring and the breach which I have found to be missing a huge chunk of armor as seen here. Fix those and the Abrams would be one of the best tanks. M.A.G.A (make abrams great again)
More specifically, the players playing a shit tank.
No. Abrams is 2nd or 3rd strongest at top tier, first being the Leopard 2s, then second either being the BVM or Abrams (I say BVM). Fourth would be the Type 90/10/TKX.
he has an extreme conformation bias, not worth interacting with
yup
Taken as Russia, China, and Japan have better native MBTs, and Italy, France, Sweden, and Germany all get Leo 2s, that puts Abrams at 8th place, with Britain and Israel being the only nations getting worse.
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Chinese MBTs are a disaster according to many
Japanese MBTs require quite a bit of skill
Italy gets one Leo
Russia gets few competitive MBTs but they’re fine as they have strong supporting lineups
Britain Israel both self explanatory
By Leos I meant collectively, all Leos are largely the same. I did not rank NATIONS, I ranked TANKS
Challengers, Merkavas and Arietes are objectively worse than anything else in the game.
2A7, 122 and BVM are the best ones, followed by M1s and then Types/Leclercs/ZTZs.
Saying M1s are shit is disingenuous.
Objectively worse Russian MBTs? yes. Worse than Abrams? certainly not.
Either way the issues with Chinese MBTs pretty much all stem from bugs that Gajin’s too lazy to fix, and Abrams knows that situation all too well.
Japanese MBTs are what the Abrams wants to be. It’s always goofy when ppl talk about the Abrams’ 5 seconds reload as if it’s the only thing that decides whether a tank is good, and then completely ignore the TKX/Type 90’s 4 second reloads (and btw they get gen 3 thermals instead of the Abrams gen 1/2).
Not to mention the fact that TKX and Type 90 get their quickest reload by default with no need for crew skills.
I will give it that. America has a more complete toptier lineup, but Italy still has one more Leo than America’s 0, in addition to their light tanks.
The T-80s are vastly superior to the Abrams, and this isn’t even a debate. Russia also has the best helicopter, very good light tanks, every powerful CAS, and the only SPAA good enough to deal with said CAS.
The only thing America has from that list is powerful CAS, and you still needa get the SP for said CAS in the first place.
Cool, tanks are held by nations.
Yes, no1 said they aren’t.
Types are above the M1, and ever since the BeNeLux Leos, no1 cares about Leclercs.
The Abrams isn’t horrible, but when you put an entire team of amazing tanks against an entire team of mid tanks, it really makes the mid tank (Abrams) look horrible.
7.1 sec reload, huge lfp, it is worst than the abrams in every way, its not bcs you can tank one or two hit that it is better than the abrams. Abrams are the worst from the top 3 but are way better than stuff like the ariete, ztz, merkava’s and leclerc.
than why is israel and italy winrate so high ? those tank suck, no armor, similar gun to the one found on the abrams, worst mobility for the ariete but still has a better wr than us tt even tho most of the time you will play in those US team.
I can’t disagree that in the current meta the USSR is the most powerfull nation in GRB but the US absolutly destroy russia in ARB, so if gaijin decide to turn the table the russian will try to do the same in air rb, than the US will complain that russia is too good in air rb and you guessed it, the problem won’t change.
is the US top tier weak? In no possible way.
Is he worst than some nation ? yes. so does every nation in game for certain game mode.
does he need a fix? yes like all nation in game.
Should he be the top prority ? no absolutly not, stuff like israel that don’t have cas, spaa or decent tank should be on the top of the list for buff, than nation that lack in particulare area like italy for spaa come second and when all nation get access to CAS, top tier guided missile spaa, and decent tank maybe US top tier can have his time. But if you buff US when some nation still suck this won’t help, it will just push player to stop playing those minor nation to play the big 3 since only those 3 nation are actually good. (sweden is something else, apparently gaijin kinda like femboy).