You hit the optics, of course it will pen here. Again, volumetric probably has something to do with this.
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Optics are always fucky, if you aim at the UFP and not the optics it’ll bounce 90% of the time
I’ll take randomly pennable optics over Koshkin’s black holes)))) any day.
Unfortunately this screenshot much as I expected is so old that it doesn’t appear in server replays and most certainly taken client side so this image is worth next to nothing as far as proving any sort of point goes.
I recommend recording server side videos in the future, as much as that might get in the way of cherrypicking.
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Compression, premium pack children and the US overall having some of the worst pilots in the game makes for a lot of pain.
In ground, the US tree at low tiers suffers similarly to but not as severely as Germany from new players, mid-tier is not very good (because American Cold War tanks were just awful in the design there’s no other way to put it) and top tier was completely ruined by the clickbait. Ive stopped playing top tier in its entirety because I either lose because my team is all clickbait noobs or I get kicked to death by fuji players.
Allthough I must say the US tree probably has the strongest air tree overall by a landslide, its not far behind the British props in performance at low to mid-tier, curb stomps with the Korean war era planes and anyone that’s bared witness to a hail of 30 AIM 54s knows that the F14 is the 12.3-12.7 meta in its entirety.
I don’t think the US tree has any really notable issues beyond bad premium players and BR compression, neither are unique to the nation
So the UFP is an auto ricochet…
Unless you hit the optics.
Or unless you hit the front edge.
Or unless you hit the thinner front upper plate.
Or unless you hit it from a slightly higher position.
Or unless the Abrams is sloped 1° downwards.
Or unless you are aiming down from point-blank range (which is what most maps lead to).
Or unless the shot falls into the 15% chances it won’t bounce even in perfect conditions.
Or unless, basically, you aren’t hitting it on perfectly flat LOS conditions.
That, by definition, is not “an immune auto-ricochet” zone. It’s more of a lottery zone.
Not to mention all the occasions where these ricochets lead to full turret crew death because the bouncing shell hits the 50mm thick center of mass, one of the reasons why we want it fixed to a volumetric model with proper thickness.
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The UFP is an autoricochet.
You have yet to provide any evidence to the contrary.
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Yes, every vehicle can be killed by a BT-7 if it positions itself poorly and the player is monke mode. This does not change the fact that the Abrams has an 82 degree sloped UFP that will autobounce every round in the game when played intelligently.
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83 degree actually.
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We could debate this for hours and none of us would change positions.
In any case, whether UFP is an auto-ricochet or not is besides the point, which is;
The Abrams needs corrections regarding fuel tank bulkhead and turret ring thicknesses and geometries and that’s an objective and acknowledged reported fact.
I don’t know why so many of you are so hellbent on coming to these threads to try to argue against it by bringing unrelated points to the table and insulting any player who just happens to think these tanks deserves fixes just like any other tank in the game.
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It isn’t “besides the point” when you and others keep bringing up how it allegedly isn’t auto-ricochet on level ground.
It is an objective fact that it is auto-ricochet unless you start normalising the plate, in which case that is your fault for positioning badly. I find it funny that US mains used to mock tiger players for not angling and positioning badly and then excuse themselves for doing the same.
Maybe if you stop spreading lies and using cherrypicked client side screenshots that give a false impression of what actually happened I would stop picking you up on it.
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It is besides the point when we merely make threads to address these issues and some of you instantly come in rambling about how the Abrams is altchually OP because it has a supposedly auto-ricochet UFP.
Do you take me for a “U.S main” just because I advocate for Abrams fixes in the exact same way I advocate for fixes regarding issues of every other tank in the game…?
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It is besides the point when we merely make threads to address these issues and some of you instantly come in rambling about how the Abrams is altchually OP because it has a supposedly auto-ricochet UFP.
If it is besides the point then why are you and the other US mains bringing it up in the first place? Maybe you should heed your own words in this case and stay quiet instead of trying to derail the thread.
Do you take me for a “U.S main” just because I advocate for Abrams fixes in the exact same way I advocate for fixes regarding issues of every other tank in the game…?
You can be whatever you want to be sweetheart.
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Uneducated (mostly) air main here only for drama, what is the difference between the 2A7HU and the 2A7V?
A .50 cal, that’s pretty much it.
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Please consult this article before posting on the forums again, thanks!
I am a 10 year long player who has thousands of matches on every Rank VII-VIII Main Battle Tank family on the game (save for Italy and China) who has no biases towards nor against any nation, who wants each and every single MBT in the game to be accurately and correctly depicted and who is fed up with people who let their personal grudges against certain nations/communities drive them into constant tribal infighting because the mere idea of certain vehicles being fixed like any others gives them an allergy attack.
We merely bring actual issues to the table, only for these threads to be filled with “aktchuallies” and “but Ariete has it worse!”s in attempts at diminishing perfectly valid concerns.
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We merely bring actual issues to the table, only for these threads to be filled with “aktchuallies” and “but Ariete has it worse!”s in attempts at diminishing perfectly valid concerns.
Well you see the US mains did bring it up first, if you were paying attention.
Selasco_ replied to a post by another user pointing out the difference in protection between the challenger 2 and abrams and selascos post was essentially “what about this image of Spanish getting penned in the UFP, the UFP isn’t an auto-ricochet!”, whilst neglecting the fact that you had cherrypicked this client side screenshot which gives an incorrect account of where the shot had actually hit.
Hence why I have stated that you should be more careful not to spread misinformation in the future and to record server side clips. I even wrote all this out ahead of time because I knew exactly how you were going to reply.
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When it comes to the average war thunder player it’s
Leo2a7 A5 and A6
Russian T series tanks>>>>>>> Everything else