Its funny and depressing that the Sepv2 is worse than the Sep. If Gaijin was gonna release a worse Sep they should’ve just skipped it tbh, it just adds unnecessary grind.
Scientific method dictates that as many things in an experiment should be the same as possible.
When it comes to ammo: Same gun length.
@PyroAddict
You want the stats?
376/358 - 1.0503.
362 x 1.0503 = 380mm of steel penetrated if M829A2 is fired from L/55.
380 is still more than 376.
Science teachers would fail your experiment if you attempted to compare 1 meter to 1 foot when measuring velocity of a feather through atmosphere vs a ball bearing.
You use the same length of barrel for comparing ammunition.
Otherwise the gun itself is the thing that’s better.
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Notice how none of that matters because M829A2 isn’t fired from an L/55 in game.
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Yo, seriously- how on this planet is wanting to increase the capabilities of the Abrams “hating Americans and USA”?
Like, seriously, how does that work?
Leopard 2A7V has L/55, not L/44.
The day Leopard 2A7V comes with L/44, your point will make sense. Until then, it will use L/55; and, while it uses L/55, it will pen 30 more mm than M829A2 from the gun the Abrams uses.
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If you have to change the gun to make the round fire faster and go through more steel, the gun is what’s better, not the round.
5.56 doesn’t become better than .308 just cause the .308 round is fired from a 5 inch barrel.
Now you forgot how to do screenshots, Alvis? I’ll post the 2A7Vs DM53 round again:
It is factually better than the american M829A2. America does NOT the best round technically speaking, and the best round is equipped on one of the most effective MBTs in the game, not like the M1A2s ingame.
IDK why Pyro thinks we’re all USA haters for wanting to improve the accuracy of Abrams.
After all, turret ring needs fixed.
Regen steering would be nice for all modern MBTs.
@PyroAddict
You have no proof, and I supplied proof DM53 is 2nd place.
Guns are not ammo, RH120 L/55 is not DM53.
as far as gameplay goes, it doesn’t matter
2A5s, 2A6s DM53 =/= 2A7Vs DM53.
Now post the stats of the 2A7Vs DM53 (NOT THE 2A5s, NOT 2A6s) and compare it to the M829A2. Third time asking you for it, it is becoming some disrespectful behavior from you.
The low winrate is partially bad players, partially bad MM, and partially high skill floor tanks.
Clickbaits are common at that BR, leading to less skilled teams. The USA has the worst tanks out of the big 3, and they are middle of the pack overall. And the Abrams are harder to use than say, Russian tanks. All this combined leads to a poor winrate.
Winrate is also a bad metric to determine performance because there are multiple factors.
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Genuine intellectual honesty, in this thread?!? Impossible!
While Abrams is easier to use than Soviet tanks, namely easier than T-80BVM.
Win rate citation is team skill citations.
Everyone can play a tank poorly or well.
Armor for example is the 4th onion layer, 3 things have to go wrong for reliance on armor to be necessary.
That’s how you get people that do as well in Strv 122 and Ariete cause they got to the point where they rarely get to onion layer 4+.
Thanks for the compliment.
thats why we need to check WR + KD + Overall place on team (BY TANK), but this is a data the only gaijin have for all player base (we can only check player by player, which is impossible) .
while i agree with you, we dont have any other data to actually debate on
Discussing with you is worse than hitting an elder, and that’s already nasty.
Penetration power = gun + shell.
Leopard 2A7V can penetrate 652mm with a 5 kg shell.
M1A2s can penetrate 629mm with a 4.9 kg shell.
So WHAT does it matter if M829A2 is “technically better” because “if Leopard 2A7V had L/44, it would penetrate less”? Leopard 2A7V has L/55 and therefore penetrates more with a heavier shell; all while being coated in spall liners and having an armor twice as thick and effective.
The survivability onion does not apply to a game where both teams’ tanks spawn 800m away from each other in a map where they can see each other 13 seconds into the match. Spotting, acquisition… none of those factors are to be taken into account 90% of the times here. It’s not like you can drive for KM to carefully select your approaches and positions as in real life.
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@PyroAddict
Not sure how myself, Spanish, Ion, etc are difficult for you to have discussions with.
We’re all easy.
Spanish and I have been on the same side of Abrams since forever essentially.
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The BVM has a lower skill floor. Higher BR Russian tanks are easier to do decent in, but there is a limit to how good they are.
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To be honest, step 1 is to have the same kind of decompression air has just had for ground. There is 0 way that all the tanks currently at 11.3 and 11.7 respectively are essentially equal in performance.
After that, balance becomes much better.
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YES! But gaijin thinks that decompression is bad for the game… But yea, 11.3-11.7 really needs decompression
BVM has a slightly higher skill floor due to gun mechanics and its top round.
I’d say they’re more equal than not.
Easiest we can all agree on is probably 2A7V.
M829A2 equivalent round, better gun, good enough armor to be resilient, speed, great gun mechanics.