Thanks for the definition. 🙂
Tim
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Try shooting the side of the turret on heavy tanks, or the cupola, the explosion will overprsssure the crew inside through the roof armor.
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Decided to play the M1A2 SEP today. Never crewed it before an hour or so ago. Thought to myself, if the M1 Abrams at 11.7 is truly that bad I should have an absolutely horrible time as a stock tank right? Sounds reasonable to me, I assumed that by this thread I would be lucky to get even a kill.
What I found was even without any components the M1A2 SEP is a monster. It’s already extremely mobile even if a little slugish, M829 slick is an exceptionally lethal shell even at distances, the armor is so good I managed to trade shots with a T-80BVM only for me to bounce it and for him to die due to frontal penetration (driver’s port) and later on do something similar with another BVM but this time I lost 2/4 crew members yet still manging to stay alive and in the fight. I recorded both of these encounters since it seems to be the hot topic that the M1 has poor armor. The vehicle performed exceptionally, the reload rate was more than enough to enable follow up shots (due to having no LRF).
- This sample size is pitiful at best. However something like this shouldn’t be possible in a stock tank if the vehicle truly needs better ammo and more armor.
- The winrate is a horrible mechanic way of measuring things but what’s special about this is that in my time during these games I found that the team mates who respawned the most were usually the American ones, however even with this I found that most team mates were painfully unaware of the Ka-50 that was slamming Vikhrs into tanks and just racking up 10 kills through that alone.
- This is not an attempt to brag or to one up other users in the thread, I’m just showcasing my time as a stock M1 at top tier after not having played top tier seriously in a long time.
- Who knows, maybe I got lucky, but from what I’ve seen the vehicle performs similarly if not better than a lot of it’s adversaries. I’m probably going to play a little more just to see if that changes but my initial impressions of the vehicle are extremely positive.
If the US has a weak spot at top tier, it’s certainly not in it’s MBTs.
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Not really, top tier is pretty much point and click. It doesn’t really matter what tank you’re in, if you know how to play the game you’ll do well even in an Ariete.
I suppose this mindset stems from being forced to start with HEAT-FS for so many years.
I just butchered an Abrams, frontally… WITH A PUMA, through the artificial turret ring weakspot! HHGAHHGAHGAHAAHAAHAafgg
WAAAJAHAAJHJAHAGAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH
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I believe the argument that US players have in common is that they want an Abrams in line with the best tanks in the game. It’s playable and you can do well in it but its not as effective as a 2a7V.
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The other day I got sprayed by a Gepard and died through the turret ring. If only the turret ring was volumetric.
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Yeah it’s definitely an excellent tank, I don’t see a reason for any buffs to the M1 as it’s already performing extremely well.
Indeed. I would not even mind so much the glacis being made out of cardboard if at least the turret ring could withstand tiny autocanons as it should…
Not buffs- corrections.
The Abrams deserves its volumetric turret ring and correct fuel tank bulkheads in the same way Leopard 2A7V deserves its glacis to be 750mm KE instead of 670mm KE, even though that correction is WAY less needed.
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Historical buffs like volumetric turret ring would be nice after all, the M1A2 SEPv2 shares the same BR as the 2A7V so I don’t why not.
But it doesn’t need any more ammo or armor, it’s well protected as is.
Kind of. Again, an improved turret ring would be nice instead of the 5s reload. It’s historical, it makes sense, and it’ll help the Abrams be in line with the top dogs.
Not implying the Abrams is suffering.
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T-90M: 800mm KE
Strv 122 (all): 750mm KE
ZTZ/WZ: 730mm KE
T-80BVM: 720mm KE
Leopard 2A7 (all): 670mm KE
Challenger 2/3: 560mm KE
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Abrams: 370mm KE
How is that “well protected”…?
Not to mention, we aren’t talking about artificial or arbitrary “buffs”; we are talking about historically accurate corrections.
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Thanks, I’ll remember that. But I did not have to before, so I’m really frustrated. Frontal hits on Tiger Is (at least the H, though for the life of me, I don’t know why Gaijin treats the E as more heavily armoured) used to work well. 🙂
Honestly? I would take no armor for a faster reload in every case. The reload alone is a huge strength.
Well I just played 4 games and was being shot at the entire time while not dying and in most cases not being penetrated. Then again I don’t just hold W to the cap point and I use cover to hide weakspots. Your armor should be your last line of defense, not your first.
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I mean they were probably shooting your turret face because the Abrams is fully covered in weakspots to most APFSDS.
Correct but its nice to have the other parts of the survivability onion covered. Again, the M1A2 SEPv2 is 11.7 so it should be in line with tanks like Strv 122B+ and the Leo2a7v.
Obviously- except, right now, many tanks’ “last line of defence” can withstand any shell in the game, while the Abrams’ “last line of defence” can’t even withstand shells found already on 9.7 vehicles.
No idea what happened there or how it could be, but this is the average Abrams experience:
Not to mention the whole center of mass being unrealistically vulnerable to autocanons;
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