But i agree with you that looking at the WR of a specific tank should mean nothing, im looking the WR of an entire BR/line-up. If an entire line-up have a bad WR something must be wrong, as i said, is not like i only have 30% WR on HC, but on all of then.
What im about to say is something that i really dont know, if im wrong, pls correct me, but i guess that Type 60 ATM have 60% WR bc others tanks on its BR/line-up are more competitive/balanced (my guess is to demonstrate my point, but if im wrong, well, cant say anything more about it).
About what you said about we dont agree with each other, yeah, i agree (lol) and its ok, we just have different visions on the same subjects and we are just exposing that here, in the end is gaijin who ill decide.
And thats why im here been “vocal” about theses changes, as an video game it should be fun and im not getting fun with top tier US. Not bc of the tank, but, as you already said, team sucks. And the changes i propose is to these the noobs (from lvl 1 premium to the lvl 100 that just sucks at the game) and have a little better US teams, if it change, in the future, in the other direction (US starting being OP) so nerf it (that why i strong believe in buffs/fixs/nerfs… to balance the game…).
I don’t think there’s any variant which increases the UFP armour of an M1?
The M1A2 SEP, M1A2 and M1A1 are more than a match to any Russian MBT.
As others have stated as well, the real problem are the Leopard 2A7HU, 2A7V and Strv 122 models.
The M1’s are still among the most dangerous MBT’s in the entire game to face when they’re used by skilled players. It’s mobility, reload rate and gun handling make it ideal for those with good map knowledge, situational awareness and aim.
Inexperienced players have no idea how to use those aspects however.
The M1A2 SEP v3 should help alleviate some of the armour discrepancies, but it will also come with a weight penalty.
I also don’t see the average US top-tier player doing much better just because his armour rating has gone up.
The only way I could see Gaijin solving this is by pushing top-tier premiums for other nations harder.
their top tier air is extremely op and unbalanced rn but ground sucks because of multiple things. 1. russian bias 2. the fact that u are placing long range sniping armored vehicles on small tiny maps which leads to smaller brawler tanks having a advantage (z tanks). 3. The fact that us top tier is flooded by premium players and things prioritized by the abrams irl are disregarded in the game (because its a video game)
Then why do the Chinese mount ERA (that can partially withstand KE penetrators) on their ZTQ-15, as well as an APS, even though it just entered service? It’s not an old platform being modernized, it’s almost brand new.
sorry, spanish, although I agree with a lot of what you say, i have to agree with them in this case. Full hull impenetrable i think its a bit too much, i mean, every top tier tank have the hull weakspot (i dont remember one that dont have).
if it was possible or ever existed a “50% DU hull” (??) I think it would look more like the other MBTs:
But since the abrams own designer wouldn’t allow that, I think it’s a very difficult question indeed
I think we should aim for the balance and not change one problem for another, yeah, they are yolo penning us, it didnt mean we can complete remove from abrams what 100% others MBTs also have, but try to be more similar where is possible.
Thats why i ask for the hydraulic pump fix, only abrams have that on center mass of the tank and that can stun lock you. That why i ask for ring fix, bc others tanks dont have this problem…
I never talk about it before bc only now, seeing that photo that spanish posted here, click on me “hmmmm, its dont seens right”
So USA isn’t allowed an uparmoured MBT? What about Challenger 3 since its going to be more armoured and will have improved UFP Armour and actual LFP armour?
Meanwhile 2A7V in Germany and Italy, T-90M and STRV122B+ exists?
Abrams will still have easily pennable weakspots just because the LFP is immune doesn’t make the tank unkillable?
Turret Ring
Gun Mantlet
Idler Wheel if Angled
UFP depending on angle
People were concerned with the T-90M’s armour, and look at it now, people learned.
Yea, it can, but it should come with nerf on other parts (like the reload speed for example), like for others MBTs that will be fixed should also receive a nerf if it became “disproportional” with others MBTs (remember that irl stuff was not create to be balanced, its to kill and destroy the enemy and that war thunder is game and must be balanced)
I just thinks that abrams is actually ok today in much of its parts/gameplay , just that is more punitive if you make mistakes or the map is bad for it, and, in my perception, fixing only two things already will improve considerable.
You can ask for the full hull armor, its a irl thing and its ok, i just dont agree and, as i said early for the other dude, its ok, we dont need do have the same opinion on all subjects.
Im not against SEPv3 having Leopard reload but im sure others will read this an have an aneurysm
Abrams isn’t a bad tank, its solid. This is universally agreed upon.
Opinions respected but when it comes to game balance, there should be Parity and Balance. But for some reason Gaijin is allergic to this. SEPv3 should have been added along with 2A7V, T-90M and 122B+. Same for other nations when the Pantsir was added.
They obviously are, nobody (respectable) is claiming otherwise.
But there are extremes to this, every tank at top-tier has weakspots, it’s unrealistic to expect or demand the SEP v3 have (almost) no frontal weakspots.
The line of sight thickness of the composite at lower glacis has not increased for the SEP v3 as far as I’ve been informed. (please correct me if I’m wrong on that), but if I’m right then I think people are setting themselves up for disappointment if they expect the SEP v3’s LFP to be immune to top-end APFSDS.
Even doing the simplest of estimations:
The inclusion of DU saw the turret cheek armour of the M1A1 HC rise by 50% compared to the M1A1.
If we then applied the percentage increase to the LFP armour but take into account the inferior line-of-sight thickness of the hull as opposed to the cheeks, we get to around ≈527-563mm. That’s not enough to stop almost any top tier APFSDS under 1km.
Obviously the SEP v3 doesn’t need to have such a basic improvement, but the fundamental limitation of space is still there. It’d be extremely unlikely for a ≈700mm LoS composite array to reach the same levels of protection as the Strv 122’s glacis array.
This is Gaijin, nothing is guaranteed.
Strv 122B+ should by that logic also have superior armour, but doesn’t in-game.
Besides, speculation on tanks that aren’t even confirmed to be added is really pointless.
‘‘And look at it now’’
You mean a completely sub-par 11.7 tank that’s a direct downgrade compared to a tank that’s been in the game for years (BVM)?
A tank that is in no way comparable to the Leo 2A7V, 2A7HU and Strv 122’s?
Just for the fun of it I’m gonna go out and do some predictions:
I’m guessing the SEP v3 will look something like that if/when it’s added.
Even then I still can’t agree, because people expected the dev server armour of the T-90M to be final, which was just [insert harsh word that cannot be used on the forum here].
Here’s a couple examples:
False.
We’ve been over this already, so I’m not getting into again as it’s not sticking anyways.
Of which I’ve shown that no in-game Abrams has armor modeled from DU packages. I just keep having to reiterate this every time you bring it up because it is incorrect for you to say.
Based on a non-DU armor package, i.e. no Abrams in game has armor modeled on a DU package.
