Meant LFP. Didnt see my error. Thank you for pointing that out.
their top tier air is extremely op and unbalanced rn but ground sucks because of multiple things. 1. russian bias 2. the fact that u are placing long range sniping armored vehicles on small tiny maps which leads to smaller brawler tanks having a advantage (z tanks). 3. The fact that us top tier is flooded by premium players and things prioritized by the abrams irl are disregarded in the game (because its a video game)
Then why do the Chinese mount ERA (that can partially withstand KE penetrators) on their ZTQ-15, as well as an APS, even though it just entered service? It’s not an old platform being modernized, it’s almost brand new.
sorry, spanish, although I agree with a lot of what you say, i have to agree with them in this case. Full hull impenetrable i think its a bit too much, i mean, every top tier tank have the hull weakspot (i dont remember one that dont have).
if it was possible or ever existed a “50% DU hull” (??) I think it would look more like the other MBTs:
But since the abrams own designer wouldn’t allow that, I think it’s a very difficult question indeed
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God Forbid after months of every MBT yolo penning Abrams, they would have to learn to actually aim somewhat to kill a SepV3
Shocking, that its suddenly a problem now
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I think we should aim for the balance and not change one problem for another, yeah, they are yolo penning us, it didnt mean we can complete remove from abrams what 100% others MBTs also have, but try to be more similar where is possible.
Thats why i ask for the hydraulic pump fix, only abrams have that on center mass of the tank and that can stun lock you. That why i ask for ring fix, bc others tanks dont have this problem…
I never talk about it before bc only now, seeing that photo that spanish posted here, click on me “hmmmm, its dont seens right”
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So USA isn’t allowed an uparmoured MBT? What about Challenger 3 since its going to be more armoured and will have improved UFP Armour and actual LFP armour?
Meanwhile 2A7V in Germany and Italy, T-90M and STRV122B+ exists?
Abrams will still have easily pennable weakspots just because the LFP is immune doesn’t make the tank unkillable?
- Turret Ring
- Gun Mantlet
- Idler Wheel if Angled
- UFP depending on angle
People were concerned with the T-90M’s armour, and look at it now, people learned.
Why is Parity a problem when it comes the USA?
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Yea, it can, but it should come with nerf on other parts (like the reload speed for example), like for others MBTs that will be fixed should also receive a nerf if it became “disproportional” with others MBTs (remember that irl stuff was not create to be balanced, its to kill and destroy the enemy and that war thunder is game and must be balanced)
I just thinks that abrams is actually ok today in much of its parts/gameplay , just that is more punitive if you make mistakes or the map is bad for it, and, in my perception, fixing only two things already will improve considerable.
You can ask for the full hull armor, its a irl thing and its ok, i just dont agree and, as i said early for the other dude, its ok, we dont need do have the same opinion on all subjects.
Im not against SEPv3 having Leopard reload but im sure others will read this an have an aneurysm
Abrams isn’t a bad tank, its solid. This is universally agreed upon.
Opinions respected but when it comes to game balance, there should be Parity and Balance. But for some reason Gaijin is allergic to this. SEPv3 should have been added along with 2A7V, T-90M and 122B+. Same for other nations when the Pantsir was added.
SEPv3 according to the WarThunder community
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And on that i can agree with you 100%, but i still think that without ring and hydraulic fix even the SEPv3 will be punitive to play :sob:
They obviously are, nobody (respectable) is claiming otherwise.
But there are extremes to this, every tank at top-tier has weakspots, it’s unrealistic to expect or demand the SEP v3 have (almost) no frontal weakspots.
The line of sight thickness of the composite at lower glacis has not increased for the SEP v3 as far as I’ve been informed. (please correct me if I’m wrong on that), but if I’m right then I think people are setting themselves up for disappointment if they expect the SEP v3’s LFP to be immune to top-end APFSDS.
Even doing the simplest of estimations:
- The inclusion of DU saw the turret cheek armour of the M1A1 HC rise by 50% compared to the M1A1.
- If we then applied the percentage increase to the LFP armour but take into account the inferior line-of-sight thickness of the hull as opposed to the cheeks, we get to around ≈527-563mm. That’s not enough to stop almost any top tier APFSDS under 1km.
- Obviously the SEP v3 doesn’t need to have such a basic improvement, but the fundamental limitation of space is still there. It’d be extremely unlikely for a ≈700mm LoS composite array to reach the same levels of protection as the Strv 122’s glacis array.
This is Gaijin, nothing is guaranteed.
Strv 122B+ should by that logic also have superior armour, but doesn’t in-game.
Besides, speculation on tanks that aren’t even confirmed to be added is really pointless.
‘‘And look at it now’’
You mean a completely sub-par 11.7 tank that’s a direct downgrade compared to a tank that’s been in the game for years (BVM)?
A tank that is in no way comparable to the Leo 2A7V, 2A7HU and Strv 122’s?
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This is already a thing to some degree
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Anyone with a function frontal lobe will understand the SEPv3 will share the same weakspots.
Of course its a certified Gaijin moment. Fully expecting CR3 to have no armour improvements because Gaijin needs hard numbers for protection levels.
I said T-90M’s armour.
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DU armor is not modeled in game, though. Only non-DU export packages are modeled.
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Just for the fun of it I’m gonna go out and do some predictions:
I’m guessing the SEP v3 will look something like that if/when it’s added.
Even then I still can’t agree, because people expected the dev server armour of the T-90M to be final, which was just [insert harsh word that cannot be used on the forum here].
Here’s a couple examples:
False.
We’ve been over this already, so I’m not getting into again as it’s not sticking anyways.
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Literally war thunder wiki
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Of which I’ve shown that no in-game Abrams has armor modeled from DU packages. I just keep having to reiterate this every time you bring it up because it is incorrect for you to say.
Based on a non-DU armor package, i.e. no Abrams in game has armor modeled on a DU package.
Seems like a reasonable guess. I’m curious to see how close this will be to what Gaijin thinks.
T-90M still has some of the best armour for an MBT. With ZTZs and 122B+ closely behind it.
Hi there, what do you mean by clickbait? I’m grinding US 6.3 ATM. Haven’t bought anything.
I have noticed the M109’s M107 HE round seems nerfed the past few days. I can’t take out Tigers like I used to, have hit several side on and nothing except “hit”. Pretty much any heavy tank seems pretty a lot less vulnerable now.
I just had 5 darn hits on something on a KV chassis. First was a critical, others, including side hits were just “hits”.
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The Click-Bait is a top tier Premium Abrams in the American tree. It is quite common, and it affects the winrates of US top tier.
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