Yeah because tanks are being armored to face things that never even went into service because they were unreliable.
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So now that I’ve given you an adequate answer you’re going to write it off because it’s not currently in service? There’s quite a few other ones out there let’s not act like we’re oblivious to extremely capable KE penetrators.
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You havent proved any points, however. You brought up iron fist, which is mounted on an EXTREMELY HEAVILY armored tank, still. This is evidence that armor is still very important, even if you think APS is more important and can replace it.
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The concept proves that armor is always going to be outmatched, even if it was passed over for more effective means it was still there and even today still proves that a KE penetrator can easily overmatch existing armor sets.
You wouldn’t mind providing any in-service examples, would you?
Leopardo 2E was made to withstand 3BM60, not LOSAT.
Strv 122 was made to withstand 3BM60, not LOSAT.
Leopard 2A6HEL was made to withstand 3BM60, not LOSAT.
Leopard 2A7V was made to withstand 3BM60, not LOSAT.
M1A2 SEPv3 was made to withstand 3BM60, not LOSAT.
T-72B was made to withstand M829A1, not LOSAT.
T-90A was made to withstand M829A2, not LOSAT.
T-90M was made to withstand M829A3, not LOSAT.
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Yet the LOSAT is a KE penetrator that can destroy these vehicles. That’s my point. Your armor will never ever be enough in the long run.
You’re just speculating. Whether you like it or not, a tank with an APS that can intercept both KE and CE penetrators, STILL is very heavily armored.
Well that’s because most nations are still testing Iron fist in different ways because it’s still a budding technology. I’ve already went over this. But you clearly don’t have any intentions of actually engaging in a meaningful manner since you keep misinterpreting my argument and trying to put words in my mouth. Armor is going to take a back seat to APS as time goes on and the technology matures.
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In practical effects, LOSAT does not exist. It was built, it was tested, it was cancelled. It is not a threat any of these vehicles will ever face.
LOSAT will not be fielded though. Even if a weapon can be created to destroy something, it’s still limited by reality and may not be feasible for combat. Ergo, a tank doesn’t need to be protected against everything in the world, it just needs to be protected against the things it can reasonably face.
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Well it does exist. It was just not put into service because there were more practical means of existing technology that already delete tanks. Because you know, it’s easier to go through the thinner parts of the armor.
You literally have not said that in this thread yet.
APS has been in development for so many years, yet tanks get heavier and heavier in armor still. The SEPv2 was used as a testbed for trophy, yet the SEPv3 is still heavier in armor. Come on. You don’t wanna acknowledge the facts but that doesn’t make them any less true.
Well, thats EXACTLY why tanks are not armored to face everything, because the program was cancelled, and they don’t need that much armor. Tanks’ armor requirements are REACTIVE based on capabilities of their opponents, NOT proactively put in place to defend against all possible threats that will ever exist at any given time.
Gee, I sure wish I could remember typing my own posts.
I get it man, you don’t want to be genuine, that’s all you had to say.
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You aren’t being genuine. Armor shows that it is important time and time again and you negate that because you like hearing about Iron Fist. NEWSFLASH: Nobody cares. Tanks will still be armored to defend against KE projectiles, at least because APS is a SUPPLEMENT for armor, and not a replacement.
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There’s no reason to get emotional because you don’t read my posts and make inaccurate claims about what I have posted in this thread.
Armor is not a perfect solution, it never has been and it never will be. APS is able to defeat the threat before it even becomes a threat. Just because you have stocks in the steel industry doesn’t mean it’s the bee’s knees.
Armor will take the back seat to the APS system eventually, it will still be used sure but it won’t be the main protector of the tank.
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The truth is- it’s 2024 and tanks are 10 tons heavier than they were 10 years ago, and the only APS typically fielded in a still limited way, Trophy, is against ATGMs and grenades only, not APFSDS.
How will things be in 10 years? We don’t know and it’s not relevant for War Thunder’s balance on the 2000s-2010s MBT balance and realism.
tanks are heavier
Yeah and those aren’t just armor upgrades. Let’s not pretend.
Trophy, is against ATGMs and grenades only, not APFSDS.
Okay, dunno why you mentioned Trophy specifically as some sort of gotcha when there’s dozens of APS systems being worked on that can counter APFSDS.
How will things be in 10 years? We don’t know
In 10 years you can expect more systems to be developed to counter drones and inexpensive counters. You can also expect the APS system to take on a larger role as the concept and prototypes develop. It’s not exactly hard to predict given the huge usage of armor as of now.
it’s not relevant for War Thunder’s balance on the 2000s-2010s MBT balance and realism.
Yeah see this is why I don’t like when people want to narrow down a topic and be close minded. No one saw Helicopters or the current top tier jets coming. No one saw Drones coming either. You could just as easily be defending against FPV drones or ship launched cruise missiles in a year’s time. So when you bring up stuff that isn’t in the game, you need to be prepared for what might be in the game. Also realism is not going to come from this game nor this forum, that much I can guarantee.