STEM. STEM. What does that word mean? it means that fundamentally that majority of your threats are based on concepts and ideas from the 80s and in most cases the M1 is still highly vulnerable to all of these. Even ammo from the 80s and 90s. Now that the vehicle has to fight modern threats it’s significantly more vulnerable because it wasn’t designed to fight these new threats. That’s the point.
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Because its the conversation you began speaking on, saying the abrams hasn’t been upgraded to protect against new threats. So, we brought up a new variant that verifiably has.
Give me a report on how many tanks ahve had their armor replaced by APS.
You’re making that claim, you can provide the evidence yourself. I never said that.
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Evidence? Or are you just believing what people easily convinced you of at face value?
You said armor was being phased out, so tell me how thats happening. Give me one example of an MBT replacing its armor with an APS.
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No not quite, I was speaking more so on the design philosophy and concept of protecting against threats. To say that something is impervious to all future threats is just straight up lying to the umpteenth degree.
I wonder how those M1 tanks in Ukraine are doing… Oh right.
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Yeah and you fundamentally misunderstood that entire point. I’ll post it again.
My point is that all of the time and money are going into upgraded sensors and systems. The reason vehicles are getting heavier isn’t because they’re putting more armor into them it’s because they’re being loaded down with more internal systems and capabilities.
Less abrams have been lost than russian tanks are. Also, thats an export armor package, and those tanks still aren’t dying to kinetic penetrators, which is the point of this conversation.
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They’re not taken out by the turret ring, that’s for sure. Besides, you’re touching a sensitive topic in this forum on purpose to get this thread closed.
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Also, mad funny that you accuse me of believing things at face value while beliving that the SEPV3 is supposed to be frontally immune to everything
You said the abrams was armored to face threats like it would have in the 80s. I brought evidence that the abrams was upgraded to face newer threats. Now you’re coping.
FPV drone hitting the engine bay from above / the tank running over a car-sized IED ( being hit by an ATGM from the side =/= kinetic threat resistance of the frontal composite modules.
You keep purposefully ignoring the point that the several ton next-gen armor should be able to withstand the threats it is designed to withstand to falsely claim that we claim that the WHOLE tank itself should be immune to anything on the planet.
We explicitly explained that we are talking about the kinetic resistance of the heavy front composite modules. No one here is claiming that the tank’s sides should be immune to nukes.
Your point is ignorant because you aren’t giving evidence of what you’re saying. Phasing something out means you gradually get rid of it. Give me evidence of armor being taken off of tanks in favor of an APS. You keep changing the goalpost and denying you said what you said. What is your intention?
those tanks still aren’t dying to kinetic penetrators
Crazy how kinetic penetrators aren’t the only threat out there like someone (you) was heavily implying earlier
FOR GOD’S SAKE
You’ve got to be doing this on purpose at this point. I can’t believe someone could genuinely have such issues understanding such simple concepts, even though I still try to be nice under the premise that this is the case.
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That claim was
- Not made by me
- Made in the context of KE penetrators, which is still the topic of this conversation.
We explicitly explained that we are talking about the kinetic resistance of the heavy front composite module.
I’m explicitly saying this is incorrect. You are not going to be immune to the latest developments in armor piercing technology unless you heavily sacrifice other areas of the vehicle. It’s fundamentally impossible.
Again, nobody ever said that. We only ever said that KE protection is important in WAR THUNDER. You’re willfully being dishonest.
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Let’s try this again.
My point is that all of the time and money are going into upgraded sensors and systems. The reason vehicles are getting heavier isn’t because they’re putting more armor into them it’s because they’re being loaded down with more internal systems and capabilities.
Did we read it this time? Let’s go one more time.
My point is that all of the time and money are going into upgraded sensors and systems. The reason vehicles are getting heavier isn’t because they’re putting more armor into them it’s because they’re being loaded down with more internal systems and capabilities.
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