But they arent significantly worse. They are better than russian tanks, on par with tbe 2a5 and maybe 6 due to the reload differences. as well as this the full US lineup is something else.
Issue is no one seems to bother using it, seen a guy earlier with over 2000 games in bis sep v2 alone and left after one death.
He has the full lineup and had a 1.5 roughly KD yet chose to just leave, thst is not the tanks fault at all.
And not every minor nation is full of try hard sweatlords either so its unfair to assume they’re only the pro players.
As most pro players go where the “meta” is, which is why sweden has had very stable win rates at top tier.
I would like to see every nation get its fixes rather than new stuff crammed in every update then move on.
Like the chinese mbts as well have a plethora of issues too
The way I see it, American and Russian MBTs are more or less equivalent in an asymmetrical way.
American tanks are worse in general but have higher potential, while Russian tanks are better in general but have lower potential.
-Abrams: high floor (bad), but high ceiling (good).
In short: harder to do well with for the average player, but easier to do extraordinarily well with for the better player.
-Russia: low floor (good), but low ceiling (bad).
In short: more easy to do well with for the average player, but harder to do extraordinarily well with for the better player.
Basically, Abrams can do great if you spend the entire match hidding behind a hill and only popping 0.17 pixels of your turret to shoot for 0.2 seconds. Dare to play a bit more aggressively and you are dead; on the other hand, Russian tanks can do great if you just kinda rush and brawl, but their weaknesses are more limiting for a more agile player who wants to do even better.
I would like to remind that all of this is not coming from a “U.S main”, an “American fanboy”, or whatever pejoratives may be used to undermine points in favour of the Abrams;
This is coming from someone who has played thousands of matches across the Top Tiers of 8 nations and who is currently grinding her 9th Top Tier nation… someone who has no biases towards nor against any nation and who simply wants the game to be as balanced as possible and for vehicles to be depicted as accurately and fairly as possible, specially since those more often than not come in together.
Yeah, and it’s a shame how Gaijin can’t be bothered to fix them even with the outstanding bug reports there are out there… specially the spall liner related ones.
I think the whole hull is a crippling con, hahahah.
The turret, gun and mobility are great, yes; but the hull is a disgrace. It has zero armor and all the crew and modules are tightly cramped together, so if you are lucky enough to survive 1 shot, you are incapable of moving, aiming or shooting at all, making you a sitting duck to be finished off on a second shot.
Of course, if you spend the whole match hidden behind a hill and popping 0.2 pixels of the turret every 0.5 seconds, you will ofsett this weakness… but I would not say a tank that requires such gameplay to be that good when there are other tanks that can not only do that much better, but also do much more, such as rushing and brawling thanks to their extraordinarily superior armor and survivability.
Thing is; the Abrams hull could be MUCH better even without DU still if they fixed the fuel tank bulkhead thicknesses and added its missing plates, if they corrected the position of the hydraulic pump, added the UFP reinforcements at the front of it, etc.
But even then, I believe SEPv3 with unquestionable improved hull armor is long overdue… it should have come along with the 2A7s.
And it would be worth investigating SEPv2 and AIM’s potentially upgraded hulls as well. Most sources point towards this being a thing, even if there are no literal GDLS documents specifically stating it signed by the president.
This is part of why CR2 and Ariete and maybe Leclerc will always be more niche, Abrams and Leopards were built to be excellent long range tanks, on par or better than CR2, Ariete and Leclerc, but they were also made with the possibility of things not going as planned so both are also built to be effective in close range engagements against T tanks. Leopard has this in-game, and Abrams is a few fixes from this capability
What worse Abrams? most of them are on Leopard 2A5/PSO and A6 level and there are more of them than German the only equivalents they don’t have is 2A7V level
Sweden yeah, their MBTs are total beast but apart from that nothing much to write about because apart from MBT aspect they are pretty on mid-level.
No pretty much all western MBTs can shoot tanks from 5KM aways with their modern FCS Challenger just lucky to been able to encounter such range once.
Against HEAT Tandem and IED? definitely they made for fight war on terror in mind, but I don’t think they do well against tanks since they still using rifle gun.
U mean on the move? Yes, CR2 would be better due to it’s more expensive and complex suspension, that cannot even be adjusted like others of its kind, and it’s overall slower speed making it easier to stabilize.
Abrams is from 70’s your point is kind of irrelevant
I mean overall not the one specific tank kill at 5km which btw was a cr1
They were made with the coldwar in mind still as design began before the berlin wall came down then was put on hold by the british government during the gulf war, so vickers carried on their own researching and developing the tank.
It was designed to go up against T series tanks.
Its designed for all of it, lence so ieds and insurgency.
I suggest watching the rank museums tank chat on it
However the rifled barrel isnt the issue now its the 3 part ammo which they use for hesh, which is why they have the rifled barrel.
If they used a smooth bore or one piece ammo for the dart it would be gine for tank on tank
(it is now in 2024 falling short in damage compared to contemporary darts hence the upgrade to cr3)
I was more talking about stuff like gun depression or reverse speed that won’t even let you play from certain positions and will lock you in a certain playstyle.
Yeah, it was but unlike Leopard they don’t upgrade for that role anymore instead heading toward war on terror no surprise on it really because Leopard is supposed to be main force defending European ground against case of Russian invasion Challenger 2 already fighting in middle east plus Brits happen to have large stockpile of HESH so they keep rifled and been using it in middle east since then.
Well average WT high tier maps already lock all of the tanks playstyle except go fight in the CQC anyways the playstyle that only Uparmored Leopard and T-tanks are the only two that capable fighting each other so i guess you can throw all gun depression and reverse stuff since the game embraces who have better armor wins.