In my previous replies I have already talked about the Swedish lineup. To summarize, it’s good.
K/D is a pointless discussion in WT, it doesn’t account for teams, how many games you’ve played (this matters as tanks you haven’t spaded will typically have lower stats), lineup, matchmaking which can vary, and ofc other factors such as whether you’re sweating to get top of team or just messing around with the lads
Case in point, I have better stats in the Challenger 2 TES than I do some of my Leopards and Abrams, does that mean the TES is better? No.
To compare vehicles I would suggest bringing up characteristics of the vehicles themselves.
Well, If we’re putting it like that, “Muh K/D” isn’t exactly compelling.
I mentioned that the Leopard 2 a7v has superior armor, that is a fair point, rounds I’m not mentioning as the Abrams beats the Swedish ones but loses to the German ones, but really 600+mm of pen will get you through anything, numerically the Abrams lineup is better (relevant because this contributes to staying power, even with Sweden having 3 2a7vs you get 5-6 solid 120mm Abrams tanks), reload, is still better, mobility as far as I can tell is better for finding positions (max speed matters a lot early game for this), reverse speed is good enough on both so I won’t use this, and thermals is a mixed bag, this seems even to me if we put a lot of emphasis on the Leopard 2a7v having better armor.
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Making their SP cost go up would also be a good idea for balance.
My main point was that FnF helis would be much better than Kamovs if their missiles behaved the proper way. That being said, I can’t really say which one is the best, as all have cons of their own.
Any atgm in game can snag the littlest part of a tank and be useless. That’s universal.
And where as USA has an advantage in planes irl, Russia has that in helis. Hell, all modern USA helis are based of the Mi-24 in one way or another
Spikes are technically better as DLOS isn’t needed.
I’m not really sure the bmpt would be useful in game. Depending on the br they’d put it at. But Russia needs a wheeled fast flanker, which is something they’ve been lacking for years. There are several btr models that are stabilized and have atgm launchers
Yes that does apply to most light tanks, but the BMP-2M is pretty much the slowest light tank. It is as fast as any MBT.
I mean air and naval were owned by USA solely for a long time top tier included. Naval it makes sense.
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Well that’s because:
A German may die to a T-72 for example, then grind his way to that T-72 andddd presto! He realizes it wasn’t as good as he thought.
It’s like the OF40 for me. I get slayed by it, but never have a good time in it.
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Are you sure? there is reason why Gaijin don’t give Longbow hellfire to AH-64D or Brimstone it full ability.
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I love the of 40 man plays fantastically, especially now it gets dm33 on the mtca
The combination of insane armor, survivability and good enough mobility (2A7 will still easily keep up with the Abrams) and good enough firepower (in terms of pen everything 590mm and above doesn’t make a massive difference) is exactly why they are THE meta tanks and why they perform so much better than all other MBTs (including the Abrams).
2A7s/122s can just contest the objectives, easily take them and as soon as an Abrams comes even close to said objectives it either dies in 1 shot or it gets mobility+firepower killed in said 1 shot, if the 2A7/122 driver has as little as 1 braincells.
Hell you could change the word Abrams in the part above for any of the other top tier MBT and the story will likely be exactly the same.
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It gets Dm33 wow. Maybe I need to go back and play it.
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USA literally had to steal a mi-24 as they were lacking behind a ton.
Yes, typically nato helis trend behind Russian ones.
Just like what Russian had yet you lost your mind when Leopard have it.
That was in 1988, production apache was delivered to army in 1984
Look The other guy is being a dumbass with his arguments but this is extremely disingenuous and over simplified.
Russian CAS has much more leeway to uncontested skies due to the panstir and its range in combo with CAS that aren’t also defenseless especially seeing how games usually play out
Certainly does, tbey did nerf its speed grom 65 to 60
Blah blah I enjoy stomping in my Strv 122s blah blah.
I said the exact same thing about the BVM in it’s prime as ai’m currently saying about the 2A7s/122s.
T-tanks never had a survivability of a fully spall-lined Leopard.
Their mobility also worked only in one direction, as reverse speed is dogshit.
So yeah, T-tanks never had as much versatility than current Leopards have.
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Love the word disingenuous being thrown about here with clearly no idea about its definition.
Secondly no its not over simplified at all, the cap platforms such as the F15E, EF2000 and Rafale, heck even the 15A i use easily can be used as cap.
The pantsir while an irritating spaa (yes its still the best spaa in game) isnt some death zone above the battlefield.
At no stage did i say the su34 was defenseless either, that now is you being disingenuous, the F16C and F15E can, will and do absolutely dog on su34s is what i said ,which they do.
They are multirole fighters, not multirole strike craft (im.blissfully aware the F15E is labelled a strike craft in game but its far out does most designated fighters let alone strike craft such as the su34).
Im literally grinding out top tier china as we speak and have been against russia god knows how many times now, the pantsir again is irritating and incredibly annoying to dodge, but if you use your planes correctly it is incredibly easy to deal with.
Especially if there are more than one plane up.
Do not come here and call me disingenuous or that im oversimplifing a subject that had been on going for long enough.
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(dont forget that 3BM60 is one of the worst top tier rounds as well.)
And had a 6.5 second reload.
i got to the CR2 while bvm was “meta” and it died in one shot the same as any russian tank for the most part with the L27A1. the odd time its ammo would go black, same as any ammo rack really.
The 2A7 and spall lined tanks in general can take a far higher amount of punishment.
Just thought id fire that in there.
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