Is US top tier too weak

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it already should be up. If you have it d-tech and raised its BR, you’d have many games of just small Sweden, Ger and RU games because RU with t90m is the only tanks you can relatively say could be paired in the same category as the leo2’s. Though it makes concessions to have its armor and spall liner that the Leo’s do not. They’d probably need to sit at 12.7 if the current maximum is 12.0. Since they already should be 12.3 at a minimum and if we’re packing even more armor on, then an additional increase would be warranted.

Whereas I think t90m fits fine at 12.0, maybe 12.3 maximum if the other 2 got a bump, but I wouldn’t be arguing for it to get moved up. However, the Leo’s need a br increase and further so if they get more armor.

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1481

I’d recommend taking a step back and thinking, ‘‘should I bother’’ before writing something like that again

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1482

Of everything i said thats all you reply to.

Again to try to belittle or insult me, no counter to literally anything else ive said.

I already worked through your previous comments, hence the remarks about insulting, and accusing others.

Or about the remarks on win rate, how your own stats reflect theres no russian bias.

Or how you said that the minor nations do not matter and its only the major three ?

What about ION protogen? Your discussion with him wasnt even a discussion they quite literally point out the abrams for firepower is the top dog at top tier, combined with mobility shows it doesnt need hyper armour, nor can have it for balance.

Again, your response is to strawman me, not the other way around.

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1483

Genuinely is the t90M rated with the leopard 2a7s?
Im working on the bvm in-between china and sweden right now as i thought more folks said it was better.

100 percent agree, i also agree with the fact they should already be 12.3 minimum as it stands. We need decompression majorly for ground still.
The fact my ztz 99II or type 90s are going toe to toe with 2a7s is brutal.
(The abrams at least has a substantial enough round to fight back with)

1484

Idk I go back and fourth, because you know how important reverse speed is. However, with my recent experience, the ERA and auto loader are eating my shots pretty regularly. So I’ll side pen it, era eats it. Or I’ll side shot it, and spall liner and fuel tank eats it. Or spall liner and autoloader eat the round with black ammo(somehow).

So I either didn’t play it enough to notice it before, or I’m seeing more t90’s now instead of bvms because these things are starting to make me pull my hair out because it’s so RNG based damage that kills every other tank in the game except a bvm(for the odd era black hole shots) and Leo’s.

With all that said, it still has trade off for its armor and spall liner, unlike Leo’s. So i don’t think it belongs in the same BR per se, and could see why it wouldn’t… but the RNG and spall liners I could also see why it would… but I wouldn’t be arguing for it to be at the same BR as a Leo.

I don’t have it myself to speak on it, just my Bvm. However, playing against it, is annoying as absolute heck sometimes.

I know for a fact a few days back, I put 6 rounds into the automaker hitting ammo on a t90m, black ammo… didn’t detonate. It was the only shot I had, so I kept repeating it and was gobsmacked it didn’t blow up. Then he repaired and drove off.

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1485

I see what you mean , the t90 though as you say makes a trade off for its armour its round and mobility.

Thanks for taking the time to write that all.by the way!

Merry Christmas as well

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1486

You keep going off topic , not providing any worth reading point. All you do is pointing finger at people who don’t agree with you. Throwing personal attack left and right. Yourself claim you can’t be bothered yet you still here arguing with people who doesn’t agree with you, cause your opinion suck lmao,repeat the same thing like a broken cassette. Why don’t you just stop

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1487

Some people are stubborn to the end and act out of a sense of conviction. You simply cannot and will not change their minds or general course of action, even though being proven wrong many times they still choose to stand their ground and double down because admitting being wrong in front of other people can cause them to feel shame.

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I mean he straight up is just insulting me whenever i counter argue the points he makes.

As has been pointed out in the one your replying to, the guys calling me dishonest and saying im making strawmen out of his points, whilst he subsequently ignores literally everything ive said, and even had the audacity when Ion protogen points out the fire power bonus of the abrams to say “irrelevant” .

when it very much is relevant to the tank xD

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He completely avoided all the points I made and just went clean right for that. Even when I’ve pointed out that hes completely avoiding all the logical points I made, then insulting me. I mean I dont want to see anyone else getting accused or insulted purely for disagreeing with this person.

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1490

I’ve said very clearly I wouldn’t engage with a dishonest person.
If you want to keep writing walls of text about/to me, that’s up to you ¯L(ツ)_/¯

Didn’t go off topic, had plenty of back and forth here without a hint of ad hom.
When I say I can’t be bothered I only said it about specific people.
I like debating folks I disagree with as long as they don’t twist my words.
I’m capable of changing my mind.

That sounds false to you because you see me ignoring your (strawman) arguments, then you see you have more updoots, then you see me call out the fallacies and focus on the “calling out” part instead of doing any due diligence, so nothing changes and I don’t budge - hence the broken cassette part.
I get it, the mere suggestion that the game is rigged in your favor is offensive, so of course you’ll respond emotionally, stat check, circlejerk and strawman instead of behaving like adults… and that’s not my problem.

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1491

Actually checking ones stats is good as it gives You the idea why a person thinks in certain way.

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1492

Yeah, it also tells you if the person is commenting on shit they’re certain they have no clue what they are spewing.

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1493

yeah and most of them are the same point with barely any value

I only see you fail to address the actual worth reading argument and throwing personal attack left and right. While also address the most pointless thing in other people point

No , no you don’t lmao. You are cherry picking so that stuff go your way. I only brought up one point and that include all the nation in the game. Where the rigged in my favour

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1495

This is insanely off topic and has went on long enough. Theres countless people asking you to stop throwing insults or accusations at us for disagreeing with you.

@moderators

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You’re the one getting emotional and not acting like an adult.
Meanwhile he’s having a full meltdown over this bias thing for a while now, spewing out nonsense and insults to whoever dares to counter his claims.

Delusions finally got to him.

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He got mad real quick after we pointed out he’s performing within his account average in his bias, propaganda, easy-mode, brokenly OP vehicle.
After that, he tried to defend himself by saying he’s just holding W, not realizing doing just that is probably the biggest selling point of RU tanks.

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The only selling point of the tanks.

Theyre reload? Sub par 7.1 seconds or 6.5

The round ? Sub par, measly 335 pen at 60 degrees and 580 at flat

The reverse / mobility ? Subpar (yes bvm is slightly more but 11kmph reverse still isnt all that)

The armour ? Decent, huge weak spots.

The survivability? Some of the worst in game due to crew layout and ammo carousel.

Abrams alone

Reload ? 5 seconds

Round? Second best in game with closer to 400 angled pen. (364) and a flat pen of 629

Mobility Abrams is considered one of the best in game.

Armour? Worse than T series but the turret is still amazingly strong and overall abrams armour statistically is better than more than half the.mbts in game.

Survivability? Average due to ammo being out of the hull, crew spacing (does need a spall liner and its fixes for the spalling etc.)

On top of all this today the ADATS just got yet another buff, its missiles.now pull 42G of force. Thats 10 more than pantsir and only 8 lower than the VT1.

america does not suffer, is this well written enough for them?

Hstvl is now the best top tier Light and now theres the premium.

Spaa is buffed more.

Has the best CAS/CAP combination due to the F15E being able to carry so much, and maintain a dominating presence, not to mention the 16C which counts as a fighter so can spawn two fantastic duel performance platforms rather than one.

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They are literally built to hold W and hope enemies will bounce on their armor. In non-armor areas they’re clearly lagging behind.

It seems to me that they think US is suffering if they aren’t hands down the best, as anything else in unacceptable in their eyes.

Pantsir is like the best tool RU has to deal with enemy CAS/CAP, especially from US/Germany.
Their CAP capabilities are dog shit with worse FMs and missiles at the same time.

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1500

Couldnt of said it better.

On the subject of cas/cap, he brought up US helis as if theyre bad, and used the mention of pantsir vs hellfires to justify saying US helis are bad, now they arent the best, but every single helicopter in game suffers against SPAA in general and especially pantsir.

The ka50/52 are no exceptions and unlike 2 maybe 3 years ago they are no where near what they used to be.

As you said about the russian CAP it is severely lacking compared to most if not all other nations. A su27SM will get slapped down far faster than a, EF2000, rafale, gripen, F16, f15 and the mirages.

In the cas area, the su34 may be able to slam off 6 KH38s but an F15E can slam of 6 mavs, and 4 amraams is it? Realistically thr f15 will down the su34 before it even has to worry about it dropping its payload.

And the list goes on. But here we are, bias apologists, or when he was informed catagorically thats not what the word means, now creating strawmen.

The US ground tree is average , the air tree has been dominant since the bloody F4E over all.
And naval i cannot speak on at all

Edit as it said 16 mavs not 6

Edit another fun fact, playing china last night at 11.0 /12.0 , had 7 games against the US , both with russia and sweden in my team in 3 of said games, and 4 matches with germany, italy etc, guess what ghe 7 games against the US, 6 of them were losses.

The abrams absolutely dogged on most the team due to them actually spawning more than once, also the cas was palpable.

The game needs decompression and genuine issues fixed.

We dont need one nation buffed while others fall behind, however we do need the vehicles brought closer to what the good and reliable sources say…

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