Is US top tier too weak

And what exactly did I lie about? Since I am certainly not a cheater.

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No i did not, i took the quotes from the context then debated them with my own points, thats how quotes work, or should i take the entire paragraph of you calling a person a cheater and liar because they disagree with you?

No you, who blatantly just tell people what theyre telling you is , “irrelevant”, those two guys you discussed with wasnt an argument it was them pointing out you saying stuff that is factually incorrect which i too mentioned and you completely glossed over.

I dont force you to engage with me, but I will call out the nonsense you spout especially when you constantly are insulting and accusing other members of the forum for being a cheater or liar, and all the comments you had that were removed.

what intuition ? you call us bias apoligists, aka russian bias apologists, while we catagorically prove to you it isnt there and youre throwing insults around at random when folks disagree.

IF you really want to ignore me, block me, because I will not sit here and watch you insult others while also spouting such a victim mentality with the USA tree.

“For the last time, only the major nations’ SPAA matter.” is just one quote that proves youre the one with the problem here.

This as well, factually wrong in game which has been proven by countless people. even alvis proves you can slap down pantsir with a tornado GR4 and brims as weak as they are.

more false information, RU CAS doesnt dominate by any metric due to the power of multi role aircraft e.g F15E , F16C that can down the SU34s and Su25s with ease due to amraam.

would you like me to pick apart literally everything you say word by word? and break it down to factually why each piece of information that isnt right is incorrect? or do you wanna just relax with insulting people and throwing about total bogus statements.

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you didnt agree with him so your a cheater.

Yet im the dishonest one.

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would you like me to pick apart literally everything you say word by word? and break it down to factually why each piece of information that isnt right is incorrect?

Please, you don’t even understand the points I’m making. You’re so dishonest that I bet you strawman them before you even start thinking about a response.

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it already should be up. If you have it d-tech and raised its BR, you’d have many games of just small Sweden, Ger and RU games because RU with t90m is the only tanks you can relatively say could be paired in the same category as the leo2’s. Though it makes concessions to have its armor and spall liner that the Leo’s do not. They’d probably need to sit at 12.7 if the current maximum is 12.0. Since they already should be 12.3 at a minimum and if we’re packing even more armor on, then an additional increase would be warranted.

Whereas I think t90m fits fine at 12.0, maybe 12.3 maximum if the other 2 got a bump, but I wouldn’t be arguing for it to get moved up. However, the Leo’s need a br increase and further so if they get more armor.

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I’d recommend taking a step back and thinking, ‘‘should I bother’’ before writing something like that again

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Of everything i said thats all you reply to.

Again to try to belittle or insult me, no counter to literally anything else ive said.

I already worked through your previous comments, hence the remarks about insulting, and accusing others.

Or about the remarks on win rate, how your own stats reflect theres no russian bias.

Or how you said that the minor nations do not matter and its only the major three ?

What about ION protogen? Your discussion with him wasnt even a discussion they quite literally point out the abrams for firepower is the top dog at top tier, combined with mobility shows it doesnt need hyper armour, nor can have it for balance.

Again, your response is to strawman me, not the other way around.

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Genuinely is the t90M rated with the leopard 2a7s?
Im working on the bvm in-between china and sweden right now as i thought more folks said it was better.

100 percent agree, i also agree with the fact they should already be 12.3 minimum as it stands. We need decompression majorly for ground still.
The fact my ztz 99II or type 90s are going toe to toe with 2a7s is brutal.
(The abrams at least has a substantial enough round to fight back with)

Idk I go back and fourth, because you know how important reverse speed is. However, with my recent experience, the ERA and auto loader are eating my shots pretty regularly. So I’ll side pen it, era eats it. Or I’ll side shot it, and spall liner and fuel tank eats it. Or spall liner and autoloader eat the round with black ammo(somehow).

So I either didn’t play it enough to notice it before, or I’m seeing more t90’s now instead of bvms because these things are starting to make me pull my hair out because it’s so RNG based damage that kills every other tank in the game except a bvm(for the odd era black hole shots) and Leo’s.

With all that said, it still has trade off for its armor and spall liner, unlike Leo’s. So i don’t think it belongs in the same BR per se, and could see why it wouldn’t… but the RNG and spall liners I could also see why it would… but I wouldn’t be arguing for it to be at the same BR as a Leo.

I don’t have it myself to speak on it, just my Bvm. However, playing against it, is annoying as absolute heck sometimes.

I know for a fact a few days back, I put 6 rounds into the automaker hitting ammo on a t90m, black ammo… didn’t detonate. It was the only shot I had, so I kept repeating it and was gobsmacked it didn’t blow up. Then he repaired and drove off.

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I see what you mean , the t90 though as you say makes a trade off for its armour its round and mobility.

Thanks for taking the time to write that all.by the way!

Merry Christmas as well

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You keep going off topic , not providing any worth reading point. All you do is pointing finger at people who don’t agree with you. Throwing personal attack left and right. Yourself claim you can’t be bothered yet you still here arguing with people who doesn’t agree with you, cause your opinion suck lmao,repeat the same thing like a broken cassette. Why don’t you just stop

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Some people are stubborn to the end and act out of a sense of conviction. You simply cannot and will not change their minds or general course of action, even though being proven wrong many times they still choose to stand their ground and double down because admitting being wrong in front of other people can cause them to feel shame.

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I mean he straight up is just insulting me whenever i counter argue the points he makes.

As has been pointed out in the one your replying to, the guys calling me dishonest and saying im making strawmen out of his points, whilst he subsequently ignores literally everything ive said, and even had the audacity when Ion protogen points out the fire power bonus of the abrams to say “irrelevant” .

when it very much is relevant to the tank xD

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He completely avoided all the points I made and just went clean right for that. Even when I’ve pointed out that hes completely avoiding all the logical points I made, then insulting me. I mean I dont want to see anyone else getting accused or insulted purely for disagreeing with this person.

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I’ve said very clearly I wouldn’t engage with a dishonest person.
If you want to keep writing walls of text about/to me, that’s up to you ¯L(ツ)_/¯

Didn’t go off topic, had plenty of back and forth here without a hint of ad hom.
When I say I can’t be bothered I only said it about specific people.
I like debating folks I disagree with as long as they don’t twist my words.
I’m capable of changing my mind.

That sounds false to you because you see me ignoring your (strawman) arguments, then you see you have more updoots, then you see me call out the fallacies and focus on the “calling out” part instead of doing any due diligence, so nothing changes and I don’t budge - hence the broken cassette part.
I get it, the mere suggestion that the game is rigged in your favor is offensive, so of course you’ll respond emotionally, stat check, circlejerk and strawman instead of behaving like adults… and that’s not my problem.

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Actually checking ones stats is good as it gives You the idea why a person thinks in certain way.

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Yeah, it also tells you if the person is commenting on shit they’re certain they have no clue what they are spewing.

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yeah and most of them are the same point with barely any value

I only see you fail to address the actual worth reading argument and throwing personal attack left and right. While also address the most pointless thing in other people point

No , no you don’t lmao. You are cherry picking so that stuff go your way. I only brought up one point and that include all the nation in the game. Where the rigged in my favour

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This is insanely off topic and has went on long enough. Theres countless people asking you to stop throwing insults or accusations at us for disagreeing with you.

@moderators

You’re the one getting emotional and not acting like an adult.
Meanwhile he’s having a full meltdown over this bias thing for a while now, spewing out nonsense and insults to whoever dares to counter his claims.

Delusions finally got to him.

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