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For a tank that has a massive weakspot, it better have at least a small buff with it.
And again, Mobility doesn’t really matter as almost all the NATO tanks have very similar mobility.
It’s not a stupid argument because it’s in the game. Just going “ERM ERM ITS OP!!!” To discredit is not a good argument. It’s in the game, it’s a contender, therefore it counts too, and I wasn’t using only the Leopard 2A7, I was also using the T-80BVM. I just never showed it’s protection map.
Same DM23
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You can see how the weakspots shrink in size exponentially compared to the SEP V2. the LFP is small and low enough that unless you are close enough, or you got accuracy behind you. that weakspot is difficult to hit, and not only that, it’s not available at all times. If there’s a hill, it can be obscured. I’m not saying it’s hard to hit there often and you need constant god-tier accuracy to make the shot, but it’s a weakspot that can be mitigated with placement. The same with every tank with a bad LFP.
Why do you think I hadn’t really brought up the LFP on the Abrams besides that one admittedly unsure statement about it’s modeling? Because It’s a weakspot, but one that isn’t available to hit at all times—the same with all tanks.
Meanwhile with the M829A2. the turret cheeks are now viable targets
First, the point I’m making is that the weakspots in general usually get exponentially smaller against early darts—not immune, but against the Abrams, the same center of mass, easy to hit shot is always available. You almost can’t obscure it. it’s so massive, and dead center, full caliber rounds will sneak through.
The LFP on a T-80, Challeneger, Leopard, anything, is harder to hit as it can be obscured unless you’re on completely flat terrain or upclose. the Abrams’ turret ring is out almost ALL THE TIME. The Abrams has a massive weakspot high up enough that it sits dead center of mass that you almost can’t obscure (I really have to iterate almost). Secondly “The T series tanks aren’t good against good players” What kind of ephemeral stuff is this?
What’s a “Good” player? Give me something definitive. I can make the argument the MBT-70 should be 12.0 because “good players” know how to use it. The argument “Good players” doesn’t cut it. Because “Good player” Could entail some hypothetical person who’s an alien at the game, never misses, never loses, and able to hit their shots all the time.
Now compare it to DM53 or M829A2 because you’re missing my point which is: Weakspots in general get smaller against tanks with earlier APFSDS rounds. a LFP can be obscured by debris and hills. It’s not always a consistent shot to plink. It’s why I never talked about LFPs in the previous post. So yes, enjoy all your snark.
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Could you also address the 6 other nations being mentioned as well. Cause I am sure other people as well as me wanna know how good they stand up against the M1. In term of armor only , we don’t talk about mobility , gun handling and other stuff. Please talk about them as well !
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It is stupid , irrelevant even , you thought bringing up one of the best tank in the game to make your point more relevant and make other user forget that there are 6 other nation in the game.
It barely shrink and the SEV have more weakspot to play with
If i did this at first your point will be even more irrelevant. What the point of wall of text if 80% of that is just mad man rambling ?
Also please don’t DM other user cause you can’t address it , personal attack does not make your point better. It only make it worse.
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US top tier isn’t weak
Lack of brain make them weak
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The biggest problems with the Abrams is the crudely modeled lower mantlet which gets penned by everything when the rounds ricochets, the armor around the turret ring and the breach which I have found to be missing a huge chunk of armor as seen here. Fix those and the Abrams would be one of the best tanks. M.A.G.A (make abrams great again)
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More specifically, the players playing a shit tank.
No. Abrams is 2nd or 3rd strongest at top tier, first being the Leopard 2s, then second either being the BVM or Abrams (I say BVM). Fourth would be the Type 90/10/TKX.
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he has an extreme conformation bias, not worth interacting with
yup
Taken as Russia, China, and Japan have better native MBTs, and Italy, France, Sweden, and Germany all get Leo 2s, that puts Abrams at 8th place, with Britain and Israel being the only nations getting worse.
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Chinese MBTs are a disaster according to many
Japanese MBTs require quite a bit of skill
Italy gets one Leo
Russia gets few competitive MBTs but they’re fine as they have strong supporting lineups
Britain Israel both self explanatory
By Leos I meant collectively, all Leos are largely the same. I did not rank NATIONS, I ranked TANKS
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Challengers, Merkavas and Arietes are objectively worse than anything else in the game.
2A7, 122 and BVM are the best ones, followed by M1s and then Types/Leclercs/ZTZs.
Saying M1s are shit is disingenuous.
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Objectively worse Russian MBTs? yes. Worse than Abrams? certainly not.
Either way the issues with Chinese MBTs pretty much all stem from bugs that Gajin’s too lazy to fix, and Abrams knows that situation all too well.
Japanese MBTs are what the Abrams wants to be. It’s always goofy when ppl talk about the Abrams’ 5 seconds reload as if it’s the only thing that decides whether a tank is good, and then completely ignore the TKX/Type 90’s 4 second reloads (and btw they get gen 3 thermals instead of the Abrams gen 1/2).
Not to mention the fact that TKX and Type 90 get their quickest reload by default with no need for crew skills.
I will give it that. America has a more complete toptier lineup, but Italy still has one more Leo than America’s 0, in addition to their light tanks.
The T-80s are vastly superior to the Abrams, and this isn’t even a debate. Russia also has the best helicopter, very good light tanks, every powerful CAS, and the only SPAA good enough to deal with said CAS.
The only thing America has from that list is powerful CAS, and you still needa get the SP for said CAS in the first place.
Cool, tanks are held by nations.
Yes, no1 said they aren’t.
Types are above the M1, and ever since the BeNeLux Leos, no1 cares about Leclercs.
The Abrams isn’t horrible, but when you put an entire team of amazing tanks against an entire team of mid tanks, it really makes the mid tank (Abrams) look horrible.
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7.1 sec reload, huge lfp, it is worst than the abrams in every way, its not bcs you can tank one or two hit that it is better than the abrams. Abrams are the worst from the top 3 but are way better than stuff like the ariete, ztz, merkava’s and leclerc.
than why is israel and italy winrate so high ? those tank suck, no armor, similar gun to the one found on the abrams, worst mobility for the ariete but still has a better wr than us tt even tho most of the time you will play in those US team.
I can’t disagree that in the current meta the USSR is the most powerfull nation in GRB but the US absolutly destroy russia in ARB, so if gaijin decide to turn the table the russian will try to do the same in air rb, than the US will complain that russia is too good in air rb and you guessed it, the problem won’t change.
is the US top tier weak? In no possible way.
Is he worst than some nation ? yes. so does every nation in game for certain game mode.
does he need a fix? yes like all nation in game.
Should he be the top prority ? no absolutly not, stuff like israel that don’t have cas, spaa or decent tank should be on the top of the list for buff, than nation that lack in particulare area like italy for spaa come second and when all nation get access to CAS, top tier guided missile spaa, and decent tank maybe US top tier can have his time. But if you buff US when some nation still suck this won’t help, it will just push player to stop playing those minor nation to play the big 3 since only those 3 nation are actually good. (sweden is something else, apparently gaijin kinda like femboy).
Precisely.
The Abrams isn’t terrible, but it isn’t great either.
So when you are forced to face hordes of Leopard 2A7Vs, Leopard 2A7HUs, Strv 122As, Strv 122B+s, Strv 122B PLSSs and T-80BVMs… yeah, it can feel underwhelming to have lolpenable glass armor that gets you killed as soon as someone fires on your general direction while you need to snipe for 3 pixel wide weakspots in order to deal damage.
I can’t wrap my head around the fact that Gaijin has still not bothered to fix the Leclercs, Merkavas and Abrams tanks, and implemented stronger variants already (SEPv3, XLR…). So much for the overhyped Rank VIII.
And no, asking for the turret ring, fuel tank bulkheads, hydraulic pump, non-removable TUSK package and other issues to be fixed isn’t “just wanting to be invincible”.
Also, no, saying “b-b-but Merkava and Ariete are worse!” is not the good argument people who use it make it out to be.
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Japanese MBTs are what the Abrams wants to be. It’s always goofy when ppl talk about the Abrams’ 5 seconds reload as if it’s the only thing that decides whether a tank is good, and then completely ignore the TKX/Type 90’s 4 second reloads (and btw they get gen 3 thermals instead of the Abrams gen 1/2).
Japanese MBTs are made of paper, and usually a one shot kill. As for Abrams, while it doesn’t have the best armor, it can tank a hit or two. But yes, while the Japanese MBTs are better, they have a higher skill requirement to play.
The T-80s are vastly superior to the Abrams, and this isn’t even a debate. Russia also has the best helicopter, very good light tanks, every powerful CAS, and the only SPAA good enough to deal with said CAS.
Yes, Russia is a better nation to play overall. Only complaint is the reverse speed. Otherwise, very good nation.
even with the turret ring fix it would still be pretty easy to penetrate, though autocannons would not be able to
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Same for Abrams, except its always 1-shot kill, with exception of the few cases where you lose your ring and engine at the same time, thus effectively killing you anyways.
Ye no matter what the ring will be a weakspot. Its thickness isn’t the only problem though. The turret ring itself is supposed to be lower.
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They only have reload speed and mobility going for them. Armor, gun handling and survivability are definitely in favor of M1s. Those two are pretty similar in performance, but I’d give a slight edge to M1s.
Centauros are not very good. They’re probably the worst top tier lights in the game by a big margin. Remove their top shell and they can easily go down to 11.0 as they’re lacking key features a light tank should have.
Only T-80 that’s superior is the BVM.
They have amazing CAP.
Leclercs are still in the game, so counting them is valid.
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