Is there any way back for Air RB, or are we just waiting for the F-22 to make it even worse?

Is anyone else actually tired of this? I’ve earned a 14.3 jet, and I’m feeling like I’m being rewarded for failing to grind. We’ve reached a point in top-tier Air RB where the game play has completely abandoned any relation to reality, logic, or even “fun.”

Is it really good game design to have 16v16 battles on maps where you’re in launch range in 45 seconds or less after takeoff? We’re not flying fighter jets; we’re playing a hell rhythm game where the rhythm is the sound of your RWR shouting at 140 decibels.

In the most absurdly realistic combat situation imaginable, a fighter pilot wouldn’t be defending against a wall of 10+ ARH missiles before he can even begin to level out. WT gives you one AMRAAM/R-77, and you realize there are six more waiting for you. Oh, and don’t worry about your tactics; there’s a Rafale’s MICA waiting for you too. It’s not “skillful positioning” when the entire map is a no-fly zone.

If you aren’t spending Golden Eagles to skip to the ARH/Chaff modules, you aren’t playing the game—you’re a target drone for the paying customers. Gaijin knows this. They treat basic survival tools like Chaff and G-suits as “luxuries” because frustration is a proven business model. If you’re miserable, you’re more likely to pay to end the misery.

The worst part? We’ve stopped yelling. We had the 2023 roadmap because we stood together, but now we’re just… tired. We complain in match chats, we’ve made the “16v16 is too much” posts a weekly ritual, but there’s no unified push.

As long as the “Buy GE” button is being clicked and the community stays quiet on the big platforms, nothing will change. Gaijin isn’t going to fix the furball meta or the stock grind out of the goodness of their hearts. They’ll keep adding shiny new AESA-equipped toys to the same 2014-era game modes until the mode finally collapses.

Top tier needs 8v8 or 10v10 max. It needs stock Chaff. It needs a complete overhaul of Air RB. But mostly, it needs a community that isn’t too burnt out to demand it.

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we dont even need to wait for the F22, next gen ir missiles will be enough to make it worse

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China is screwed (48cm J-15, 72cm J-10)

im shocked China mains haven’t been rioting on the forums about the J-15 since they’re usually a vocal bunch when it comes to their vehicles

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Gaijin has promised to address the countermeasure situation there afaik, so we’ll see

I WISH we were facing F-22’s in BVR jousts right now… they only get 6 shots…

For everything else you said, yeah… the game is just cooked. Can’t even go into Assault Arcade to grind out the basics beyond 12.7 because “reasons”.

Q1. Is Gajin’s policy of engineered frustration going to make me buy mods with GE?
A1. No… I’m too stubborn to cave to them.

Q2. Has it already made me decide not to renew my premium account when it expires in ~2 months?
A2. Yes… because I no longer consider this mess worth paying for.

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Trying to grind ARB above 12.0 these last few months is the straw that broke the camels back for me. I lost all enjoyment I got from this game and even though I hope it can be fixed I don’t see myself returning in any major capacity. I’m letting my premium expire and will from then on only play if one of my lower level friends wants to fly WW2.

I don’t think there’s a lot to say

the CM count is accurate according to photos, engines only trialled so far afaik but it’s getting WS-10 anyway and I don’t think anyone is drunk enough to demand PL-10/15

looks cool though
ultimate flex plane at top tier?

This one hit me hard aswell… the pure frustration and sort of feeling of helplessness unless I GE an aircraft or tank to max didnt drive me into buying more GE but just playing MUCH less. In the last 10 days I have barely 10 battles played. Today I did 3 I think one of which the map (Arctic) which I find absolutely in the top 3 worst ingame was me just spawning in AA and waiting to die, which happened about 2 minutes after I spawned, maybe less. Exited the battle, went into the 3rd battle, couldnt wait for it to be over pretty much. Clicked to go for the 4th and just quit the waiting and exited the game… Mind oyu that was top tier Germany in which everything I use is already spaded yet still the gameplay is way too repetitive, unrealistic and just plain annoying at times. I have RU the 2 tanks and AA, US I didnt even had the nerves to finish the MBT line to the end…I literally just dont play nearly as much as I used to because of repetitiveness, inbalance, buggy models, damage model…Just a mess

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