Yes, obviously… VR headsets are expensive. Do you think people find them in bushes or something?
Bushes could be seen as a “P2W” feature before they were destructible via tank shells, artillery, plane strafe, bombing, etc. As it gave an unfair advantage in the game. But VR heads do not.
Another thing Gaijin does not own VR headsets, you made that choice to sought one out.
So I’ll phrase myself one last time, Pay To Win implies to the game, not anything that is external, which means your buying a VR headset is externally->Real world which does not count and only makes you devalid your claims.
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Nice to see you once more Doc, how’s the flying?
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The term is not “Pay to win with the developer profiting specifically”. That would be “P2WWTDPS”
The term is “Pay to win”
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Did you pay money? (Yes, for a VR headset)
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Did you win more? (Yes, most people who aren’t motion sick do win more)
= P2W
And yes bushes are also P2W (still are, just less so, since you still get an advantage prior to them being shot off, especially if they prevent you being noticed so the other person doesn’t KNOW to shoot them off)
Note that for VR headsets, I didn’t even say Gaijin could have done better. Maybe they couldn’t have done any better for a simulator game. That’s fine. Even if there was no wrongdoing, though, it’s still P2W. And that turns away a lot of players, thus answering in part the OP’s question. Formula 1 Racing is also P2W, and there’s not really any way it couldn’t be. People still find it fun to watch, but it heavily limits the potential competitors that can enter.
The more I speak to you the more I get a growing headache and understand Babo.
That’s rather alarming if discussing a 3 word phrase, that means literally exactly what it says at face value, gives you a headache.
500$ is pretty cheap for a good HOTAS
VR is a heavy advantage too and that costs another 500 too
in the end Air Sims aren’t for everyone and Warthunder Air sim really shines only in the Early Jet era and maybe in the Prop eras too but there it gets competition from IL2: Sturmovik
My first HOTAS I got second hand for £20, worked great. Not too mention how cheaply you can just pick up an Xbox controller if needs be.
I know that its possible but there is a serios advantage with a good HOTAS
The difference between HOTAS and No HOTAS is pretty big. But the difference between a decent but cheap one and a top end HOTAS though is quite minimal.
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eh yea but it’s there
Decent HOTAS is about 150-200USD, that is marginal compared to decent PC.
Interesting take…
Should I consider mouse-aimers pay-to-win because they get AI assistance to fly their plane, where I don’t with my $800 in equipment?
If anyone’s interested ih now the VR +hotas and all the gear affects the gameplay, perhaps you should check on this video …
Nobody who has a computer doesn’t have a mouse, so no, nobody is paying extra to win. If mice were very expensive rare commodities, then it would have been “yes”
Right… So I guess I’m paying -to-lose. 🤣
in ARB probably yeah lol
We all compromise. There’s not always Sim matches available, so I also play RB.
The new player who wants to try out Sim, can compete just fine with the joystick emulations that this game offers. There are many mouse-joy users who do very well, even better than their fellow joystick users. But there’s a catch, it takes effort. Just like joystick users have to put in effort to learn how to use their equipment.
Even those of us with advanced equipment have disparities in what we have available to us. You don’t see us calling other Sim player pay-to-win. That would be making excuses for lack of effort. 🤷♂️
I mean that’s legitimately great that you have the politeness and sportsmanship to not call it out to them, but it IS still P2W, just factually.
I didn’t say games can’t be fun with P2W in them either, obviously I play WT myself despite this (I play ground, but crew skills for example are still obviously P2W).
It is a clear liability, though, and lessens the experience, even if not quite enough to make the game not worthwhile. If it can be avoided it should be. Even just in soft ways like making the matchmaker try to spread out people with better rigs on both teams
yes its called F-16 spam and no missile trail from it