Don’t use HESH! ;) (This is a joke.)
Turm is in no way similar to the T58. You fart 1.5km from a Turm and it will detonate. Its turret is far too high and basically once hit your done.
Turm is the biggest mistake ive made in this game outside of playing it and paying these people for sub par crap.
Wont happen again
Da fuq? Bro Turn is a walking “Shoot me” tank. Everyone knows they simply need to shoot and hit NEAR it and it will either loose its guns, tracks or explode. Only 3 crew who seem to be Siamese triplets and all die at the same time. The HEATFS is unreliable and will sometimes kill and sometimes not. It doesnt forgive quick unaimed shots. You must aim precisely in a tank that cant take even a 23mm hit without erupting into a firestorm. Elevation is crap so can barely even use its 30mm for helis. Depression is all crap so can barely peek a hill but even if it could again youre a Everyone Please Shoot Me.
Basically its doing an Elden Ring No Damage run every single match. Once youre hit, your back at spawn.
Turm 3 has a rep it doesnt deserve. The Clovis is a far better tank overall then the Turm IMO.
Name a better 8.3 MBT. The Turm 3 is better than some 8.7 MBTs. Having a light armor profile is not some get out of jail card for a vehicle when every other factor is strong.
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Lmao… what? Turm III is faster than most vehicles it will ever see.
Not only are you nitpicking, you’re also either not aware that it only goes 65 km/h or underestimating the speed of other vehicles. The ZA-35 can go up to 120 km/h. The T10M goes 50 km/h. The Turm III is far from a speed demon and most light tanks and gun SPAAs are just as fast if not faster.
I hope you didn’t just compare T-10M’s mobility with Turm III’s.
It’s pretty much in the higher end of mobility at it’s BR and only a select few will beat it in that.
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“If we ignore all the light tanks, many SPAAs, and quite a few mediums then the Turm III is at the higher end of mobility.” My point was that the T-10M, a heavy goes 50 km/h versus the Turm IIIs 65 km/h.
It’s not that mobile, no matter how much you guys pretend it is.
For 8.3 it is very mobile.
But please do list some more mobile mediums at it’s BR.
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Bro comparing mobility regardless of p/w, gears, track/wheel frictions, etc etc
lmao
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incredibly ignorant
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“It’s really mobile, I swear bro. No don’t look at the Za-35 and many other rat and light vehicles at the BR. Bro please bro!”
It is mobile? Are you saying it isn’t?
It also has good firepower, an excellent reload, and a very good 30mm cannon. (That’s actually usable unlike the French 20mms).
As it stands it and the T58 should both be 8.7 at minimum.
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I’m afraid he’s just trolling at this point.
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“Someone disagrees, they’re clearly trolling. This vehicle that isn’t oppressive and is non existent at 9.3 in a full uptier already because it doesn’t perform there at all is OP and needs to go up!”
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All that but it’s still clearly better than other 8.3 mediums.
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how doesnt it though
also you still havent listed a better 8.3 medium tank
He will, once Gaijin actually adds a medium at 8.3 that’s better.
Both of these vehicles can be significantly raised in BR if respective old nerfs to HEAT, HESH, and APDS get lifted.
HEAT postpen spall was made horrifically inconsistent in 1.67 to protect the then-new IS-6 from swarms of M46s using the then-recently-historically-corrected M348 shell to slaughter them en masse.
HESH postpen was made inconsistent and now nonexistent in 1.71 once people switched from HEAT to HESH to kill the IS-6, and it was found that the Centurion Mk10 and Vickers Mk1 were really good at it (then also 7.0 like the IS-6 was).
APDS also was quite strong back then, which had postpen comparable to solid APCBC, and consistently too.
If you undo those old bullshit nerfs, the T58 will immediately become 9.0 worthy, possibly higher still.
As for the Turm 3, those same rebuffs will certainly help, but in addition those, why not make its coaxial gun a 50/50 mix of APHE and APDS? Easy 9.0+ material there using assets the game already has. Note: I am just as much in favor of enhancing ammo selection on other nations’ 20-30mm coaxial guns like those on the French which are stuck using useless HVAP despite the APDS already existing ingame.
T58 + HESH is a broken combination.
APDS is still quite strong, especially L7 one.