Is the T58 and Turm III a little too strong at 8.3?

I guess I was wrong, my personal experiences likely differ from many of those by the community

Its literally a glass cannon,you spit at that garbage it implodes

That however cannot be said for the T58
Shot that tank with APDS with a gepard and nothing,0 damage cause volumetric being absolutely trash

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Same goes for pretty much anything that get shot by Turm III’s APDS.

Cant manage to kill anything in the T58 turret tho,cause volumetric so bad makes this tank has infinite armor

So Turm III will struggle against another crazy OP vehicle.
How about the rest.

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Its pretty much a stupid thing to say,anything that its already looking at you when youre in a Turm 3 would ALWAYS and ALWAYS means you being killed

Thats not the case with the T58 tho,too much volumetric issues making insanely hard to kill meanwhile he can kill 5 people in 2 seconds by shooting just a nanopixel of the track barely showing cause thats how these shells works IRL clearly

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Being stabilized in the Turm 3 isnt even that much of an excuse,you rarely will shoot on move going 80 km,its good to pick a hill,shoot and hide tho,which proves my point,if they are looking at you,you cant peek

Just because T58 is insanely busted doesn’t mean Turm III isn’t busted as well.

When playing against heaps of unstabilized tanks, yes it is.

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Sorry to have vanished…
No i never said the Turm 3 its not Strong but MY own point was to properly fix the issues of the core game itself before doing random BR changes

Moving it up isn’t a random BR change.
Both of those are kings of 8.3.

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People whining about the Turm III never gets old. Not only is it super easy to kill. It’s facing tanks which are faster than it and can absolutely obliterate it. The Oerlikons/auto cannons it faces at it’s BR tend to absolutely vaporize it.

The Turm III is basically an oversized rat vehicle that primarily shines in downtiers. Even at 9.3 it’s virtually non existent because it’s not competitive anymore. It’s not a vehicle you see people bring to higher BRs, much less have it do work there.

Unlike some other vehicles. And the metrics don’t support the constant whining about it either.

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You literally fail to grasp the INSANE difference between the Turm 3 and T58
If you would play any other tank the same as the Turm 3 then every tank its king of 8.3,thats literally logical

Youre literally made out of paper facing very good tanks and op autocannons and SPAA…so whatever looks at you,youre dead…
This cant be said for T58 tho,tanky as hell,one taps ANYTHING by shoot the track and reload as fast as the Turm for 5 shots

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The Turm 3 specialize in flanking VERY HARD,at 9.3 already the APDS it has its BEYOND useless as people decent armor,Xm803,T55AMD for example…you simply cant kill them if you dont just flank

if people played the same way as they do in the turm,they would lowk see that its all a matter of playstyle and luck with the Turm and not just being “broken”

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So like most things at that BR ?
It isn’t an excuse.

Again, T58 is even more busted but that doesn’t mean Turm III shouldn’t go up as well.

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My point is that the T58 isn’t “impossible” to kill. Should it go up? Idk, maybe. Keep posting your experiences against it.

Maybe, just maybe.
I guess non-USSR vehicles need around 12 K/D before people on this forum might actually agree it should go up.
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i mean its def going up in br my only point was that it didnt get changed before the planned br changes because its not as big of a problem

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At some point you (as a player) will understand some vehicle’s weaknesses, work around these and match its performance, but that there’s some double standard by the community’s end, preferential treatment for premium vehicles over tech tree vehicle by Gaijin’s there’s no doubt, I can’t proof both of my accusations, I hope you get it just as a trash-talking. In a hypothetical scenario, if the Terminator were added sonely as a tech tree vehicle, its issues with battle rating would never happen or either fixed quick as possible, in contrast, tech tree vehicle don’t bring immediate profit as premium vehicle does, it’s no Russian bias, is preferential treatment for premium vehicles.

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Fairly sure T58 will go up with the planned BR changes. Turm III? Not as much. It’s at 8.3 for a long time. It has zero survivability and only works as oversized rat vehicle. And you don’t see people uptiering it for good reason. Even at 9.3 it’s basically extinct unless someone got a full uptier from their 8.3 line up.

Because the APDS pen ain’t very good, and the 30mm doesn’t save it.

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