Is the T58 and Turm III a little too strong at 8.3?

The point is that this particular heavy tank is more effective in killing all vehicles.

BRs are simply a system or how effective a vehicle is.

An M18 is 6.0, even though it can be easily killed by reserve tanks but the M18 is miles better at killing 6.0 BR vehicles.

The Churchill Mk I and VII have amazing armor for their BRs but have very weak guns.

They can kill some vehicles easily, struggle against some and are easily killed by some.

You can’t have it all, ok?

How is that balanced when the T58 not only has amazing armor but also firepower much greater than all other vehicles?

So it needs to have a BR where the armor hardly matters.

There’s also the point about survivability of a tank.

A T Series tank dies 70% of the time when penetrated, while a vehicle like the T58 is much more likely to survive penetrations.

And the RoF of the T58 makes it so that it’s very easy to destroy a vehicle with a second shot, if necessary.

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Oh dude I got shot by a T-55Am-1 an Leo 1a1, some French tank, and another vehicle, they all kept shooting but the T58 was magically making their rounds non pen, even in the side. Even though I had been hit 3 times already and disabled, I got hit another 8-9 times before being killed.

The guy in the T-55 was no novice, and has 12 kills, he was freaking out in chat because the T58 is made of Washtinium

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I remember one the first time i used it, i got shot like 30 times (no lie) even a heli with its ATGMS top hit me and i kept going, it was only after i reveresed and they hit my bottom hull did I die.

T58 is flat out L23 proof, the Strongest APFSDS in its BR bracket.

You have to aim for WEAK SPOTS, in the Chieftain Mk10.

Pretty much the only time I die in the T58 is when ammo is struck, but I only bring 18 shells, so it’s not all that often it’s hit

Your cheftian tank is even stronger (turret) so it evens out.

Anyway, all you have to do is to aim at the middle of the turret.

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Third month in a row this thing has some absolutely amazing stats, especially for a vehicle in a major nation. I guess this is US’ equivalent of Turm III and Gaijin has to make their money on something.
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If you don’t one hit kill the Turm in something like the Centurion, which only gets solid shot making one KOs rare, your dead before you can reload. Dealing with the Turm III using 7.7 Britain is absolutely obnoxious. The Turm can aim pretty much anywhere, I have to memorize ammo storage spots and even that sometimes doesn’t work.

Turm III and T58 to 8.7 pls.

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Just shoot the turret anywhere it only has 2 crew and half of the turret is ammo and the other half is 2 crew members.

Nah leave as is

Bad gun handling and mobility.

Neither of those are bad on the T58

The T58 has better gun handling than most 9.0 / 9.3s

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its no worse than any other unstabilised heavy tank in handling and its mobility is better than a centurion so is therefore more than enough

not quite, more like the gun handling of the AMX 50s of 7.7 but better than them in every single aspect.

everything is stabilised by then.

worse gun handling for the superior firepower would make is balanced at 9.0

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T58 is surrounded by tanks on smaller faster chassis with LRF, stabilizers, and HEATFS/APDS. Idk much abt the other unstabilized, but stuff like the IS-7 seem to be performing just fine.

I mean, if you consider a stab a necessity I guess.

I’m meaning more horizontal and vertical movement. Which the T58 excels at

for how i play, slower more brawler/bruiser and quick peeks while hull down a stabiliser is very valuable but not needed.

Dude I balls to the wall it sometimes, sometimes cautious. Depends how I feel like playing.

i can see the T58 matching my playstyle near perfectly. I just have zero intrest in playing american tanks