For aviation in general.
The MS and MF are fighters — what does the S-8K have to do with that? After the losses in 1973, the USSR was intensively supplying Syria with modern aircraft for that time.
I ment that i was not able to find images with fighter configuration. But easilly found an attacker configuration
well, Syria had ~150 of them MiG-23s at 1982, so its not like they were most of their planes still
So without images you refuse to believe even official Syrian and Soviet sources?
Nevertheless, the Syrian Air Force outnumbered the Israeli one. In general, the Syrian Army was a creation of the USSR, which supplied it consistently, and it was commanded by Soviet officers at all levels, including Soviet generals at the top.
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They still are quite close to that. if used properly and in normal amounts.
With few exceptions tho
Nah. Gulf war. 1991.
Literally one of newest(1983) soviet planes vs F-15 from 1985.
In result first one was raped…
And even if talking about Vietnam War - it was more about missions which were tasked, rather than planes.
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Yes,Su-57 its indeed worse ✨
Is the question of this topic real? As much as I actually do like russian fighter-jets, the Su57 is nothing but wishful thinking.
Not really. Geometrically speaking, any continuous curve/surface has the intermediate value property (there’s always a “glare” looking back at you going from the point it started to the point it ends).
But one has to prove it’s a EM reflecting material in the first place. For instance, in Aircraft101’s SU57 simulation, the whole plane (except for engine inlets iirc) is considered a perfect conductor – metal. This is not true in 5th gens, where composites, RAM and RAS are used extensively to control radar reflections.
You can say a metal sphere is a radar reflector in any direction, or a disco ball is a reflector in any direction for visible light. Afaik, the dome is radar transparent material and the IRST keeps turned back with heavy coats of RAM when not in use.
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It’s a decent jet but tbh the latest flankers are better
Thus, when operating, it is an excellent reflector, and the claim about a thick layer of RAM is just someone’s unverified fantasy.
It’s also amusing that on production Su-57s there’s such a gap between the canopy and the frame that you could stick a finger through it.
Not a “unverified fantasy” literally mentioned in patents
you can also tell it can easily rotate from a side view
Most of the images of Su-57 we have are of untreated edges, which is usually from initial delivery and testing footages
Both are the same aircraft, one having the edge treated while other doesnt. You can easily tell it with the major reduction of the black portion in the frontal side
There are also some more examples of treated and untreated edges
They are left like these for “quick access panels” Even F-22 and F-35 have them, however are treated quick before any missions or patrol
It looks like a really thick layer. But it will still stop working as soon as the pilot decides to switch on the IRST.
Yes, you are correct here, but realistically you would be using it in heavy ECM condition. Nonetheless that would be a bit of setback for the sensor fusion
it could be they worked on the interiors to make it less reflective like making stuff radio-transparent but we really dont know and this is the schizo rambling territory
This is all great, but this photo was described as the first operational aircraft and the first operational pilots on them.
IRST isn’t a backup sensor, it’s a way to remain undetected without turning the radar into emitting mode. And then the pilot switches on their IRST, and instead of stealth they get an excellent radar reflector on the nose. Not very smart.
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IRST will be an absolute necessity in the stealth meta of war thunder, especially with things like Rafale + MICA IR or EFT + ASRAAM on the prowl.
Having the IRST hidden be required to remain stealthy will put players at a distinct disadvantage
The chances of this missile appearing in War Thunder are even lower than those of the Brimstone with ARH, to be honest.
Well, it’s an option. One can just leave it off and not take a potential RCS penalty.
IIRC there were cases of F-22s and/or F-35s in exercises exposing peak RCS angles to bait foes, only to then go back into favorable RCS angles. Bait and switch like that is something you could do in 5th gens that 4th gens cannot do.
I could see the same type of behavior if the IRST indeed increases RCS by a decent margin.
Switch on IRST from afar → enemy detects and launches → switch off → missile wasted
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Lunenberg lens we have at home ahh
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So many possibilities open up when you have a Su-57 instead of a 5gen aircraft.
Are you going to complain about the F14 pilots who manually swept their wings back to trick people into thinking they were blazing through the skies as well? Or is your narrative against possibilities something exclusive to the SU57?
Anyhow, we have dozens of simulations, articles, photos, patents and what not in this thread, if you have better sources on the SU57 being a 4th gen instead, feel free to post them.
not to forget the strike weapons used is the su57 is far a lot more that the f35 and f22
f35 in stealth mode is only limited to 2 2000lb for f35a and 2 1000lb for the f35b, ofc we cant forget the 8 gbu39 but still lack the ir missile in the bomb bay, as far i know, i only see the aim9 outside the bomb bay with 6 aim120 inside bay
same goes with f22, limited to 8 gbu39
as for the su57, you have more to chose, grom/kh58/kh59(69)/ 5 fab500 L/tv/gnss.