Is the Su-57 really worse than the F-22?

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Looks like a T-50, the sharp edges make it obvious, and its common for 5th generation jets to have exposed screws.

The Russian war doctrine focuses on anti air, they don’t often require much air superiority aircrafts because of their anti air systems like S400’s and the prototype S500’s.

They are also trying to operate in the most densely defended airspace in the world.
No other air force has come close to operating in an airspace as hostile. Russia have destroyed 100s of SAMs, Radars and what happens the US/ NATO give Ukraine more. Ukraine are guided by the best military intelligence network they have access to the full NATO satellites.
Your flippant remark they are antiquated bombers. Yes they are but they are also positioned right next to the Polish border and screened by SAMs. The risk of an escalation with Poland is not worth the risk of operating near the border. Su-24 are also routinely moved to make tracking the bombers and aircraft harder. Russia now use drones and Iskander missiles if they see a concentration of UA airframes.

You move your aircraft out of harms way, fuel is cheaper than air defence missiles and risk of losing an airframe. I don’t doubt Russia would lose some aircraft on the ground. As would NATO partners the Oreshnik is designed for that purpose a none nuclear first strike decapitation attack that has a low interception probability.

Russia will have knowledge of a US/NATO strike they have satellites and share with China. Sneak attacks on the scale of crippling an entire nation are not possible. F-35s have to take off, surface ships have to move into range, bombers B-2/B-21s have to take off, masses of tankers and support aircraft EAWACS. Cutting all diplomatic ties all of these are warnings. The same with Russia if they planned to deploy Orezhnik at NATO.

Final point if Russia was an easy mark, why haven’t NATO just gone and done it?

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My God, what nonsense. Deliveries of air defense systems began six months after the conflict started, and those were just a handful of systems. Six months! The US flattened Iraq in a month in '91. And in all that time, they couldn’t do anything about a miserable handful of 40-year-old Ukrainian planes.

Oh boy! That’s just an ordinary IRBM. Stop watching RT.

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But for some reason, at the beginning of the conflict, Russian troops were without satellite navigation and using Soviet-era paper maps.

Because Russia has nuclear weapons. Otherwise, they would have gotten their asses kicked.

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You need to watch and read more, sources…thankfully your leaders do.
No prior to the conflict Ukraine had 250 of S-300 systems. They had 10’000s of manpads delivered.

Russia destoyed the majority of these systems and Ukraine have been resupplied countless times.
Dismiss it all you want. Did Iraq get resuplied during the Gulf war? Were they given up to date battlefield management by Russia or China?

Yes it is but then it also isnt, it has no explosives just rods that kinetically do the damage.

Oh cool that GPS pic…from the start of the campaign…if you cant see Russia has improved as the conflict has gone on you are a moron. Every day GPS guided glide bombs slam Ukraine with impressive accuracy.

Russia being driven closer to China now have access to all of Chinas many satellites and systems.

Almost like having Nuclear weapons is necessary to protect you from the West.

an engine is not making up for virtually everything elses the russian aircraft lack. the sensor suit is vastly outdated, Much the same for their arsenal, the flight perfomance is fine but that isnt what makes a modern aircraft, and important to add whilst the russian engines put out good perfomance, theyre still very much inferior to western designs in both efficency and durability.

your point about b-2 and b-21 not being 5th gens is incredibly desegenuos as its just playing dumb arguing a irrelevant technicality. and su57 isnt in production.

Some context because you are clearly overinflating the threat the US/NATO faced in the Gulf.
Iraq had 60 SAM batteries these were pretty old outdated Soviet era SAMS. SA-2 systems, the SA-2 was not designed to hit fighter sized targets it was designed to hit bombers. Ukraine have S-300 which is designed to hit both has a much longer range and greater potential of kill.
Then technology of how these missiles can be guided destroying the Radar on the older systems doesn’t work on the newer systems they can DL from another Radar. Ukraine received tons of support before the conflict kicked off British aircraft were flying in daily dropping off crates of NLAWs/Javelin missiles, medical supplies all the things Ukraine would need.

Most of Iraqs missile threat was SHORAD…with ranges of around 7 miles. Strela,OSA and Roland. The parallels aren’t even close! NATO still lost a lot of aircraft. Russia also depends heavily on helicopters that’s where the MANPADS have really shone, low flying helis and CAS aircraft have been ambushed early in the conflict.

Yep Russia is corrupt, even the US! Or should the US tax payer pay 8000x the price of a soap dispenser for a C-17? Where there is a way to make money people will take that opportunity.

Northern group was never intended to reach Kyiv like the raid on Hostomel it was in place to divert/pin UA resources from the real objectives and the push in the South. (Refute it all you like Kyiv was never the target)
Securing Mauripol and Melitopol preventing the Crimea from being attacked from Ukraine.

Ukraines unlimited spawns…No that’s why they are press ganging men from the streets because as you put it they are running out of spawns

Which is more modern than the SA-2 systems that you and any other US fan boy jerks it to. What’s next the A-10 tank kill record.

No of course not, they messed up logistically. That doesn’t mean that they were meant to take Kyiv. Please remember and use what limited critical thought you have…Russia invaded Ukraine with 150k soldiers…That was never going to be enough to hold and defend Kyiv.

Oh gee I wonder why lets recruit 25 year olds and below and get them killed then this country like Russia with incredibly poor birth rates will in a few generations time cease to exist. Another reason why Ukraine does not see this war as an existential threat to their future (otherwise you would recruit them!)

Fregat batallion…you mean putting sailors to use, or should they just get to chill while there is a war going on?

I watch and read multiple accounts and somewhere in the middle of all the propaganda and lies you will find some semblance of what is actually happening

@Forum Moderators can the the topic be… sanitised?

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Yeah, it getting off topic really hard + real politics and currently ongoing conflict

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Don’t worry guys - I’ll bring it back onto topic with a totally uncontroversial take.

SU-57 IS really worse than the F-22. Glad we’ve answered that question.

NEXT!

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Nimitz is needed in other theatres Kuznetsov will never sail again. They also used the aviation element for the conflict. Russian like US service personnel are all trained to use rifles and perform combat roles (its called basic training, this is the training to allow them to be able to perform the simplest of military tasks before they are sent off to specialised training)

Golf carts cute you mean the ATV EV vehicles they are using or the motorbike squads that have been incredibly impactful but you know best. If the US and Europe were supplying Iraq with trillions dollars of aid, then yes. Ukraines armies have been rebuild 3 times they have received several 1000s of vehicles from allied nations.

Imagine it? Britain, USA and France did it in the case of WW2 and WW1 prisoners and people on trial were given a choice go to prison or go and die in Europe.

Is a glide bomb the counter to an F-35? No no one has said that. I love how you think USA F-35 using a JASSM-ER is somehow more impressive than a Su-34 dropping a glide bomb…they do the same thing

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WW1 not WW2

During the First World War Britain’s criminals were mobilized in much the same way as the rest of society. Courts allowed defendants to avoid prison if they enlisted, while borstal boys, and later adult prisoners , were also granted early release

French Foreign legion exclusively a unit for members with criminal/questionable pasts.

USA refused and then allowed parole review boards in 43 to consider or allow serving prisoners to fight

"If you are within the age limits and if the offense to which you were committed do not, by reason of selective service regulations, automatically require a low classification, it shall be my pleasure to submit your names to the draft board, provided your conduct has been good.

The men that are classified 1-A will then be given physical examinations. I want you to remember that the physical requirements are rigid… Those that meet the physical requirements will be certified to the Governor by the draft board and, if approved, releases from civil custody will be issued and induction into the service will follow."

How Prisoners Contributed During World War II - JSTOR Daily

Which Russia do not need, Russia will never produce a carrier or operate it again. They do not need it for force projection.

Again conflating Iraq with Ukraine…ridiculous

I can link articles form UA commander who find these kind of attacks a real problem, they are fast enough to avoid FPV and artillery and have been used to resupply and attack positions similar to Hussars of old.

Which they could have if they had the logistical and intelligence support at the levels Ukraine have.

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They wont build it they dont have the money to build it, this war has shown Russia need to focus on the things that work and less on vanity projects. Kuznetsov like Queen Elizabeth and Prince of Wales are vanity projects.

China is building carriers for a conflict with the US and the US is building ships and carriers for the conflict with China in the INDOPAC region. in central/Eastern Europe you do not need a carrier.