that story can be easily disputed
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the claim comes from an Indian tabloid
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Talking about double whammy
Su-57 has a very very similar rcs to the f35 and a bit worse than the f22
The copers out there saying su57 has a rcs of super hornet (1m2) and f22 of rcs of whatever 0.0001m2 have no idea what they are saying
First of all minimum rcs of CLEAN f18 is 1 m2
The average rcs of t50 (prototype variant of su57, without ram, radar blocker and exposed metal parts) os between 0.1 to 1 m2
Minimum rcs of f22 is 0.0001 m2 but it is only achieved at a small area, smaller than the rcs itself a bit borsight to the left
In reality achieving that it near impossible
Average rcs of f22 is -10 dBsm or 0.1 m2 based on various simulation accounting it’s RAM coatings too
TLDR su57 stealth is very similar to f22 but sill f22 has a upper hand
It’s not as different as claimed difference of a super hornet and f22s optimal minimum rcs
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For fun, here’s a simulation for the F22 using perhaps the most common of the RCS simulation software, one which has been seen in topic before.
As someone who has had a tad of experience with 3D modelling, I can affirm the F22 model chosen for the simulation is of way higher fidelity (overall shape, but even then it has innacuracies, such as the stuff inside the splitter plates) to the real thing than the models I saw on those other analysis.
Anyhow, as usual we see a bunch of simplifications to try isolating shape alone, aircraft is entirely metallic to check for geometry alone, no RAM/RAS interference. Welp, do we see the claimed -9000 gorillion DB all around the aircraft? As one would expect, that did not happen.
So, the settings on the simulation were:
- 8GHz
- Aircraft is made entirely of gold
- Frontal arc of ± 60 deg horizontal, ± 30 deg vertical, in 10 deg steps.
- Excitation: Incident planar wave
- Boundaries: Perf E
TLDR: minimum frontal was -17.53 db (0.017 sqm), max +10.33 db (10.78 sqm).
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I didnt see this so late reaply. And no the claim and Radar track are online you can see both.
Further more there is an efficacy report on the VVS and how dangerous the R-37M is to UA aviation produced by the British MoD research and evaluation division.
the video you are thinking of is not from the same claim and is footage from a shot under half the range of what Indian tabloids have claimed
And by whom and how, for example, the victories of the Israeli F-15 are confirmed!?.
- Official data of the Israeli Air Force…
- data from Western Internet experts…
F-22 bots continue to believe in RCS at 0.000000001m^2
You must hate USA and Lockheed. RCS is 1e-99 m^2
I’m trying to be objective.
It’s a joke. 1e-99 is a stupid amount of 0’s lol
The footage shows the Radar track and then the target disappearing after the missile hits it.
AFU at the same time and Russian sources confirmed a MiG 29 was shot down.
Indian website…well the West are still reporting Russia is out of missiles, water, morale, ammunition and are losing.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/ggZvP9uffj
Here is the video track, the lie was it was a Russian Su-57 when in reality it was an MiG 31M
interesting, i wasnt able to find a actual f22 rcs simulation using this tool (ansys)
would be more easier to come to a conclusion for me if i would be able to see a simple 2d picture like this
i also back from any claims where i said su57 rcs was similar to f22/f35, but i still stand the difference isnt that much
for eg. these are simulations from stealth flanker, who has done innumerable rcs simulations on multiple aircrafts, he is working on different variants of kf21 for now
here we can see su57 has 3x the median frontal rcs of f35 when its IRST is stowed (off) in 8ghz
both are treated with same RAM materials
now 3 times might sound big but remember, detection range is proportional to the 4th root of the RCS
interesting thing is that su57 actually performs better than f35 in VHF band, that is mostly due to its large size
also even tho f35 rcs is “0.001 m2” and f22 is “0.0001 m2” blah blah, i believe both f22 and f35 possess similar rcs
the range in that footage is below 100km (probably within 40-50km), not the 200km claimed by the indian tabloid, please try and keep up
if you want to believe garbage Indian sources because of some russia strong narrative you have concocted in your head then feel free
90km is the claimed kill range for the R-37M there was an image floating around showing what the range lines equate to. There is no way a MiG 31 at that time in the conflict would be within 40km of UA airspace not with S-300 and Patriot risk.
It’s difficult to take the moral high ground when both sides presses have flat out lied about every facet of this war. Indian and Russian sources are as equaly credible as Ukrainian and British sources.
I’m not going to staurate this post with them but I urge you to go and critically review Forbes, The Telegraph, The Times and the BBC and ask yourself if it was as bad as these sources claim why have Ukraine not won…
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Found it, the yellow dashes indicate 50km range markers which makes sense when the Radar can detect 250km
if thats true, its around 175 km~
why do you come back to indian tabloids all the time, see what he sent next.
Well Indian, Russian, Bulgarian and other have reported the event.
You are showing your biases.
Instead of detaching your personal feelings and not holding other media outlets to the same scrutiny.
This is going knowwhere I have provided a Radar track and report and you call it fake.