It would be nicer if more information was out on it
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This is complete nonsense. Russian fighters equipped with R-37M missiles are incapable of intercepting outdated Su-24 bombers carrying Storm Shadow cruise missiles, which are forced to approach the very line of combat engagement. This happens despite complete air superiority and no opposition from enemy fighters. What are the chances that they would manage to break through to AWACS planes against the resistance of modern 4.5 and 5th generation fighters? Moreover, recent events demonstrate that in such a hypothetical conflict, most of the Russian air force would be destroyed on the ground.
The presence of nuclear weapons in Russia, of course, is the key factor. Without it, Western countries would have easily ended this conflict.
Lol. The Russians had a spy in the European defense industry who leaked them data first on the Tornado and later on the Eurofighter. Apparently, the Russians thought the Eurofighter was a next-generation aircraft, which is probably why they came up with their MiG 1.44. Of course, that thing had nothing to do with the 5th generation and could never compete with the Raptor.
By the way, a funny fact: until the mid-2000s, Russian developers from the Sukhoi Design Bureau literally didn’t believe in stealth.
Hahaha. Well, in that case, Russian aircraft should get rid of their radars, since RWR can pinpoint the aircraft’s location precisely.
Yeah, and it has an S-duct and plenty of other technical solutions from American 5th-generation aircraft, none of which were present on the 1.44. Apparently, the Chinese don’t understand stealth at all — go ahead and enlighten them.
Because… And hear me out here…
This
Is incapable of incorporating S-ducts…
While this
Is.
Do you really need this spelt out to you this bluntly? I never took you for a person of this caliber, but I’m starting to rethink it.
What?
that is an S duct but not a great one
“not a great one” is the air intake of the Su-57. And this is quite an S-duct. Which is impossible, according to the air intake expert earlier in the thread.
A lot of US aircraft were designed to beat Soviet aircraft since we thought at the time they were far ahead of us.
Case examples: MIG-25. When we captured it thanks to Viktor Belenko. We found out this aircraft we thought was still superior to what we were developing and had was a piece of junk.
Nowadays we build our aircraft to surpass our aircraft. Hence next aircraft is to surpass the F-22 and F-35s eventually.
When it comes to the Su-57, there is a lot of footage of them up close and we know it has screws. So in terms of Stealth those screws would make it more stealthy than an F-86 but nowhere near an F-111, F-117, B-2 nor the B-21.
the f-22 has screws too. they are just a bit harder to see.
This thread is really pointless. Bunch of people either fanboys of f-22 or su-57 theorizing how one would win the other. Pointless. Just wait for these aircraft to come in war thunder and fight it out then.
If everything goes well in the world, there won’t be any f-22 engaging su-57 during their operational lifetimes.
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Oh boy, look! Not an S-duct!
Shocking truth! But what is this, Mr. Expert?
What?
This, mr. Expert.
This is a prototype
1.42 never appeared in metal.
Well maybe because Stormshadow/SCALP have a massive range
Launched from stand off ranges. 500km Ukraine have lost most of their Su-24 from aviation/SAMs and ground based strikes.
You should read the UK intelligence report on the efficacy of R-37M and how it has been a massive threat.
As for all of Russias aircraft would be destroyed on the ground. Thats a sweeping statement.
theres actually quite a bit of research into this showing that no, they dont make stealth worse as long as you treat them the same as the other wing and control surfaces
theyre actually better than a lot of other designs
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In practice, this means that over three years of conflict, they have failed to completely eliminate two dozen outdated bombers. Under controlled conditions, with complete air superiority and no capable enemy fighters. Can you imagine the military leadership of any other country achieving such “success” and still retaining their positions?
This was stated by a very authoritative Z-expert, a former Su-34 navigator who fought in Syria. He noted that the only reason aviation doesn’t suffer losses at its home airfields is that they are attacked by slow and cheap drones, allowing the aircraft to scramble and relocate. In the event of an attack with modern cruise missiles, they wouldn’t have time to react. Moreover, the airfields within the range of the Storm Shadow missiles are no longer used by aviation.