Is the Su-57 really worse than the F-22?

Yeah, it getting off topic really hard + real politics and currently ongoing conflict

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Don’t worry guys - I’ll bring it back onto topic with a totally uncontroversial take.

SU-57 IS really worse than the F-22. Glad we’ve answered that question.

NEXT!

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Nimitz is needed in other theatres Kuznetsov will never sail again. They also used the aviation element for the conflict. Russian like US service personnel are all trained to use rifles and perform combat roles (its called basic training, this is the training to allow them to be able to perform the simplest of military tasks before they are sent off to specialised training)

Golf carts cute you mean the ATV EV vehicles they are using or the motorbike squads that have been incredibly impactful but you know best. If the US and Europe were supplying Iraq with trillions dollars of aid, then yes. Ukraines armies have been rebuild 3 times they have received several 1000s of vehicles from allied nations.

Imagine it? Britain, USA and France did it in the case of WW2 and WW1 prisoners and people on trial were given a choice go to prison or go and die in Europe.

Is a glide bomb the counter to an F-35? No no one has said that. I love how you think USA F-35 using a JASSM-ER is somehow more impressive than a Su-34 dropping a glide bomb…they do the same thing

WW1 not WW2

During the First World War Britain’s criminals were mobilized in much the same way as the rest of society. Courts allowed defendants to avoid prison if they enlisted, while borstal boys, and later adult prisoners , were also granted early release

French Foreign legion exclusively a unit for members with criminal/questionable pasts.

USA refused and then allowed parole review boards in 43 to consider or allow serving prisoners to fight

"If you are within the age limits and if the offense to which you were committed do not, by reason of selective service regulations, automatically require a low classification, it shall be my pleasure to submit your names to the draft board, provided your conduct has been good.

The men that are classified 1-A will then be given physical examinations. I want you to remember that the physical requirements are rigid… Those that meet the physical requirements will be certified to the Governor by the draft board and, if approved, releases from civil custody will be issued and induction into the service will follow."

How Prisoners Contributed During World War II - JSTOR Daily

Which Russia do not need, Russia will never produce a carrier or operate it again. They do not need it for force projection.

Again conflating Iraq with Ukraine…ridiculous

I can link articles form UA commander who find these kind of attacks a real problem, they are fast enough to avoid FPV and artillery and have been used to resupply and attack positions similar to Hussars of old.

Which they could have if they had the logistical and intelligence support at the levels Ukraine have.

They wont build it they dont have the money to build it, this war has shown Russia need to focus on the things that work and less on vanity projects. Kuznetsov like Queen Elizabeth and Prince of Wales are vanity projects.

China is building carriers for a conflict with the US and the US is building ships and carriers for the conflict with China in the INDOPAC region. in central/Eastern Europe you do not need a carrier.

Please do, seriously a none biased neutral source for losses would love to see it. Show me 750k dead and i’m going to laugh in your face.

Oh. That a lot of true on that. I read a lot of that yesterday on this video, i found. Irbis-E screen - flight tests against multiple targets.

This is suppose to be a Test of the Irbis-E radar. But Just read what @aviator77migsukhoi34 has to said on the first comment. That test wasn’t about Irbis-E but the Export Variant that China get with their Su-35. The guy talk a lot of How good the Irbis-E radar its and how much better its compare to western radar even against Western AESA. IMO he was a little Biases on the Topic of Azimuth. In Azimuth only the Captor E its comparable. He also talk about test that an institute on Russia has done on western Stealth. At what Range Irbis-E can detect an F-22. An how on Middle East the Irbis-E on Su-35 was able to detect and track an F-22.

Lets remember to stay on topic with this thread going forward.

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Just was touring a static display at Langley for a f22.

WARNING- I DO NOT KNOW IF ANY OF THIS IS CLASSIFIED, THE CREW WAS SAYING ALL OF THIS TO CIVILIANS.

This is what I remember

“The f22 has 3 flight control systems, for instance is I yank the stick back it will decide to use the elevators to go back or thrust vectoring”

“The f22 is the only aircraft to have a top down display showing enemy’s and friendly on a map, by using (its) Radar and rwr and friendly radar and rwr”

(Above was pilot below is crew)

“We can load her up with 6 AMRAAMs and 2 sidewinders all internally at once! 4 more AMRAAMs on external pylons!”

The following were on display:

Aim-120-(7?)

Aim-9x

Gbu 39 jdam

Gbu (32?) glide bomb

F22

This is what I remember that I don’t think is classified, but isn’t really said. The rest might be classified let me check.

Honestly imo yes the su57 is worse than the f22.

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GBU-39 is a small diameter glide bomb. it might have been a GBU-53 (GBU-39 replacement)

was probably a GBU-38 JDAM as the GBU-39 is a small glide bomb like I said above

I heard that apparently (think someone around here said it) the F-22’s 2D TVC nozzles activate exclusively for stall recovery and post-stall manoevers.

The Su-57 has new engine nozzles now, but I can’t check rn if they are full 3D TVC or pseudo-3D TVC like the older TVC Sukhoi fighters.

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Arenr nozzles on F-22 are automatic? There was some sort of discussion/brief/debrief about redflag with Su-30MKI and it’s TVC, also bringing F-22 to compare

I would wager that the TVC nozzles for the F-22 are at least integrated into the FBW system to the extent that the pilot doesn’t need to think about using them or not using them. With Russian philosophy on FBW, the integration of their TVC system may be more manual.

This is quite lengthy but the pilot goes into some pretty cool details with the F-22.
The control system will maintain the stick input levels. If you put the aircraft into a 6G turn the stick will maintain that position allowing the pilot to focus.
The system is a voting system you ask the aircraft what you want and the aircraft decides if it’s safe to give it to you.

The F-22 is very much the ethos of being easy to fly and to allow the pilot to concentrate on the mission.

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Yeah, my fault.

There are 2 modes manual and standby

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An ex USN guy working with the Malaysian Su-30 pilots. Stated they hardly ever use the TVC, coming from Hornets they worry the jet will lose energy and just fall out of the sky

Not surprising given how big/heavy a Sukhoi is. You’d probably want to keep as fast and dynamic as possible without bleeding off speed/energy doing any unnecessary aerobatics.

The reason the Falklands Sea Harrier pilots didn’t use ViFFing to the fullest extent was that it would possibly let you get a momentary snapshot but leave you low and slow for anyone and everything else to gun you out of the sky. The SHAR being positively dinky and lightweight by comparison…

The above according to Mr Sea Harrier - Sharkey Ward (RIP)