Its not a narrattive its objective fact. How 5th generation has russia put into production? 0, america has designed the f117, b2, f22, yf23, f35 and b21 all of these excludin the black widow have entered serial production and have been flying for a long time(b21 excluded). Russia cant even properly modernize their fighter fleet yet you guys think theyre anywere near comparable. Textbook cope
IR range, even fight
Radar range f-22 every time
120D don’t have 200 mile range tho.
Also the radars on like every fighter in US service are more than capable of 200 mile detection range, apg-77 on F-22 has estimated range exceeding 250 miles, and it’s much older than the new Apg 85 on block 4 f35, apg-83 on F-16, and APG-82v1 on strike eagle and F-15EX
They are all also capable of acting as Awacs through datalink, and battlefield command is a big part of 5th gen and upgraded US 4th gen
su-57 is in production? I agree its quantities are far lower but given the respective economies this is to be expected. But the economic differences doesn’t mean its decades behind in technology; otherwise using the same logic Europe is decades behind the USA.
You throw out all these vague terms what do you mean by this assuming you are discounting the upgraded flanker and fulcrum variants.
I can’t tell if you are misunderstanding me or not but I do believe the US has a significant advantage over Russia but they aren’t decades ahead. In terms of technology Russia is similar to the rest of Europe and should make a decent fight all the way up to 4.5gen aircraft.
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Its wasnt really until a while ago(very recently actually put proper engines into production and none have been made as far as i onow yet), and i temd to belive it isnt into working order as they havent been using it at all, also remind me how many su57 there are in service, you can include the “upgraded” prototypes.
Modernized russian flankers aren’t modern their sensor suites are vastly outdated. And drasticslly inferior to pretty much everything including other countries flankers. The only relevant mig29 modernization is the mig35, which nobody wants .
My brother in christ the us has been flaying stealth aircraft since 1987. First stealth fighter started flying in 1996 and entered service in 2005. They made slightly less than 200 in 10 years. The su57 first flight was a 4 years after the f35, and the f35 entered service in 2011. There are slightly less than 1 thousand built around the world.
Russia is still trying to make a b2 spirit equivalent(1997 entered service) and the us has already put the replacement into service.
The us is multiple decades ahead of russia. Saying anything else is so utterly insane its either straight cope, or simply lying.
first stealth fighter was 1990 actually, YF-22 counts even though its a prototype it still did manuevrs, supercruised, was stealthy ofc, and fired missiles
F-117 first flight was in 1981 too btw
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I left out prototypes as that would be directly unfair as there wouldve been both the yf23 and yf22. But youre right it proves my point even more
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Afaik stealth measurements for the ATF program were done on computers then on full scale models on poles, the YF22/23 were not tested for RCS and didn’t have RAM nor edge treatment. I’ll find the source for this later.
Obs.: I found a very interesting PDF that I’ll attach to my original post. This is one is golden.
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You’re pull thing out your rear? Even with Al-41 engines it have better TTW than F-22 at least that its when both are empty. Even if the Su-57(T-50) its bigger it weight less than F-22 around 1 to 1.5 tons less. The difference in TTW is not much but still in favor of the Su-57. I don’t know how much the Production version of The Su-57 weight. Because a lot of systems has been miniaturized. Example the IMA-BK computer and thx to this it change from Fly by wire(cooper) to Fly-by-optic/Fly-by-light… So saving even more weight. Don’t even talk about the TTW with Al-51 engines.
So the only one here with a lot of copium its you. You can argue that Russia its behind on Missile tech. But the Su-57 has being spotted with K77me.
Su-57 much slower in supercruise though
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Yeah no youre actually pulling shit from nowhere.
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Notice how i Said empty?. The Su-57 can carry a lot of fuel. But more important it the engine. Al41 has low dry thrust compare to the engine of the F-22 make sense it has also slower Super cruise. I don’t know if the figure of 1.3 super cruise of the Su-57 its with Al41 or Al51. I imagine its with Al-41 so with Al-51 it will have better super cruise speed. MIG23 now this engine stuff better.
Lastly even with it 1.3 SC speed. Su-57 boost a better range than the F-22. So was its this Copium about Super cruise?
If it’s loaded up with that much fuel, it’ll probably barely be able to supercruise in the first place.
And it’s probably the 51 engines since they’d want to give the best numbers
This figure of 1.3 is just made up anyway. Super cruise M number for any engine for Su-57 never was public.
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Where was that air intake image taken from? Ace combat?
There’s a better image out there, but it’s literally a radar scatter screen like the F-117 had
Edit: Found the pic
I don’t think its the case. MIG23 in the Su-27 discussion said that the Su-35s can super cruise with AL-41. It don’t make sense that the Su-57 couldn’t SC with Al-41.
Hmm, the Eurofighter kicked the F-22´s ass in a dogfight…
Forgetting about IRST? Even then, they are similar in abilities.
The Su-57 is not stealthy. Its famous rcs is like that of the Su-27. And don’t forget that the F-22 appeared about 25 years ago.