That’s why the Typhoon has Pirate…70 miles it would see the F-22 and could DL an Aim120
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The most interesting thing to me was, that the thrust vectoring is not an advantage in a fight. It´s more a disadvantage. It makes the Raptor a slow and easy target… I think that is the same with all thrust vector fighters…
It´s like you have to pull the parking brake to go around a corner… Looks good, but makes you slow.
just not how it works my dude
typhoon isnt a vietnam era mig or phantom
typhoon can see. has a whole environment. defensive systems. you think a 1997 jet with no upgrades to it can really outmatch a modern jet with advanced avionics and radar and defense systems such as MAWS, DASS etc?
heck even the claimed radar band figures of the 57 would give the raptor a hard time in bvr especially since stealth is such narrow spectrum effective
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Radar on F-22 built for LPI, very hard to detect and pinpoint by rwr
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The RAM maybe heavy. But by how much?.
Seriously?
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the F-22 rwr really good at pinpoint precise direction but idk about ranging. it MIGHT be able to use some form of triangulation to do this, but to questionable accuracy probably. What it for sure can do, however, is use the RWR to cue a very powerful narrow beam from its radar to acquire good targeting data at ranges farther than the standard search range. The F-22 has a lot of sensor fusion too, not on F-35 level ofc but still quite a bit.
idk about launching behind itself, it can do HOBS LOAL but to that level, not sure
and as for DASS, the AN/ALR-94 (RWR/EW/ECM stuff) and AN/AAR-56 (MAWS) on the F-22 arent a DASS by classification but they are a DASS in capabilties if you get what i mean
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even with the russian SPO-15, it bases range on signal strength. i recall the SPO-15 showing full strength even when an F-35 or something was very far away because of how strong the F-35s radar is.
hence ranging is a no go. even PIRATE on the EFT cannot range accurately since it has no laser range finder (IRL). ive heard the F-2 does though and thats why it can guide AMRAAMs with the IRST
agreed, but again, LOAL behind itself or especially with IR missiles outside of seeker range are iffy at best.
This is interesting. I’ve never heard about this before. Certainly piqued my interested
Yep. Its what make it one of the best Fighter jets even so many decades after it was made
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Another win in the bag for SPECTRA lmao
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AAR-56 is an IR MAWS on the F-22. Wiki says its also UV but no source on that.
I wonder if it knows to distinguish sun? I’d imagine it’s more than possible to do that by using navigation systems and ofc, a preprogrammed knowledge of what the sun IR signature is
thats the rafales pseudo-stealth thing no?
its honestly incredible
i saw a reddit post which showed the camera and the video feed from it. i think it is UV,
imma link the videos here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVrdQhYQI1M ← tested on helicopter
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SPECTRA is mind boggling already based on what we do know about it. The sekret dokument stuff is likely even crazier.
I recommend checking out the section about it in the Rafale thread if you haven’t already.
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It’s really just a typical DASS. It has EW (the hyped part), RWR, MAWS, LWR (tbh the more unique part about it), and ECM. It is a very good one though
It’s a good system but not sure if it can match the power output of the AN/APG-77 for EW purposes
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Then it’s probably both since every other thing mentioning it says it’s an IR system
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Yes, just think about it. And watch the Video. His explanation is very good.
So yes… seriously…
Even the Raptor pilots try to avoid using thrust vectoring in a close combat situation, coz it makes them a sitting duck…
3D direction finding RWR has been tested on an F-2 before.
Considering the insanely one sided technology transfer agreement I wouldn’t be surprised if the US at least has access to it as well, and most likely already have their own derivatives to some extent.
Doesn’t have to mean it’s on the F-22 though, considering it just seems needlessly expensive for an aircraft that already has a detection range advantage against most, if not all opponents it could face.
its amazing how much tech progresses each day
but still i dont think this can be used to locking onto a target nor getting accurate range finding data.
not for firing solutions definitely
Wrong so wrong, PIRATE uses trigonometric to range and it can also DL Aim120 and Meteors
Preatorion DASS also uses PD RW
R/MAWS and can track
please read my statement again.
carefully