Is the Su-57 really worse than the F-22?

Machinery of War Discussion
,
784

Notice how i Said empty?. The Su-57 can carry a lot of fuel. But more important it the engine. Al41 has low dry thrust compare to the engine of the F-22 make sense it has also slower Super cruise. I don’t know if the figure of 1.3 super cruise of the Su-57 its with Al41 or Al51. I imagine its with Al-41 so with Al-51 it will have better super cruise speed. MIG23 now this engine stuff better.

Lastly even with it 1.3 SC speed. Su-57 boost a better range than the F-22. So was its this Copium about Super cruise?

785

If it’s loaded up with that much fuel, it’ll probably barely be able to supercruise in the first place.

And it’s probably the 51 engines since they’d want to give the best numbers

786

This figure of 1.3 is just made up anyway. Super cruise M number for any engine for Su-57 never was public.

4 Likes
787

Where was that air intake image taken from? Ace combat?

image
image1270×769 49.4 KB

image

There’s a better image out there, but it’s literally a radar scatter screen like the F-117 had

Edit: Found the pic

789

I don’t think its the case. MIG23 in the Su-27 discussion said that the Su-35s can super cruise with AL-41. It don’t make sense that the Su-57 couldn’t SC with Al-41.

790

Hmm, the Eurofighter kicked the F-22´s ass in a dogfight…

791

Forgetting about IRST? Even then, they are similar in abilities.

792

The Su-57 is not stealthy. Its famous rcs is like that of the Su-27. And don’t forget that the F-22 appeared about 25 years ago.

793

In close combat?

794

It can, but it’s the AL-41F-1S, and your not accounting for it being heavier possibly?

795

You know what else happened about 27 years ago? The MiG 1.44/42. Only cancelled production because each unit cost was too high as it was completed after the fall of the Soviet Union.

796

This is why the Su-57 is not stealth. there are too many cracks and holes from which the signal will be reflected again.

797

Considering it’s a dogfight, I’d say yes.

798

Wow, you gonna reflect virtually no waves from a 1/4 inch gap between the fuselage and intake 😒

Not like the F-35 has those on its surface.

799

The F-22 sacrificed its maneuverability for the sake of stealth. It was created in order to launch missiles at the enemy before the enemy notices it.

800

Well, the Soviet Union had a smaller military budget than the United States.

801

Congrats, all your missiles use TWS, which pings RWR giving a precise location of your plane, there goes your stealth out the window, not to forget you can notch the AIM-120 like it’s an early radar missile from a long range.

Soviet Union was also communist/socialist…

803

Yes.
But the German Pilot said, he knows, in a real scenario, he wouldn’t even have the chance to get that close, coz the F-22 would have shot him down from 120km away…

804

hahaha a 120km shot on a EF Typhoon?

Good luck bro. Meteor can do it but AMRAAM? nope

also irl Fighter jets operate in tandem with AWACS and early warning radars. its a whole environment. good luck with stealth at any range closer than 50km. may you be russian or american. no stealth is impervious.

1 Like
805

… the 120km was just a phrase for… The Raptor would have killed the Typhoon way before the Typhoon would have even noticed the Raptor…

Here is a more detailed explanation than I can do.

Spoiler

This text will be hidden

Raptor-Salad… I like :D