It is an Su57 but ig there was a new modification i had missed out on, even so the Su57 is not nearly as abundant as the F22, and the Su75 which is suppsed to be their actual 5.th gen fighter. Althoough this point is a little off topic.
They aren’t visible to begin with, it doesn’t matter what coating is put on it.
They aren’t? One of them is a T-50 from 6 years ago, the other is Su-57 81774 (2nd production model) from 3 years ago.
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Ok and?
That quite literally in my head is the same if not a tad bit different.
It isn’t an Su-57, unless you mean to tell me that the “new modification” was the base production model of the aircraft.
Which is relevant how…? Legitimately… Who asked?
Yeah, you don’t say. I’m surprised you honestly thought to say it.
The image presented wasn’t of an Su-57, so the point of “exposed engines” is moot .
Your head might need a bit more knowledge then…
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Its not ruper relevant to the particular discussion at hand, but in the relation to stealth aricraft and nation arsenal its pretty significant, and although Su57 isnt built for the purpose of full on stealth aircraft, the F22 can keep an airspace completely clean, and can be fitted with ground capability as well. making it quite ambigous though granted maybe not fully to the extent of the Su57, theyre really just two counterparts good at each their own thing. The F22 being more build on stealth as a principle and the Su57 as an affordable slightly stealthy jet
Obviously not, since you’re very clearly having issues voicing your argument… I have no clue what you’re even here for.
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Cool, stopped reading past this.
Okay
only to a limited degree F-35 is what actually provides the CAS capability
It matters in a way, maybe not the way most people expect. Technically a radar wave can’t really reflect on objects smaller than their wave length size, since stealth is mostly concerned with X-band (about 2.5 to 4 cm) and around that, small mm-sized screws can’t really generate proper reflections back to the radar source.
HoWeVeRrRrR, instead of reflections, other phenomena can happen when electromagnetic waves hit objects smaller than their wave length, as well as the plane, such as scattering, and ideally you want to mitigate that as well because a scattered wave is still energy that might go back to the enemy’s radar.
When an EM wave hits the aircraft, it doesn’t all bounce immediately back, some of the energy travels along the surface of the airplane until it reaches a sudden discontinuity in the airframe geometry – discontinuities such as sharp edges, or such as the “bas relief” holes in which the screws go.
If you heard about the “continuous curvature” technique for stealth, that would be it: try to have nothing disrupting your aircraft fuselage. The less panels, less edges, less gaps, the better.
Secondly, EM waves also tend to scatter when they reach sudden discontinuities in material conductivity – such as from a metallic screw to a composite panel from the fuselage.
Those would be two reasons I know of to try flushing the screws as good as possible.
Of course, engineers know of those and actually use those properties to control EM wave direction, it isn’t anything new or groundbreaking in stealth tech.
Edit: I also updated my other post in this thread with some more lectures on the F22, some info regarding performance there that might interest you ppl.
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True, just tried to keep it between the F22 and Su57 because that was originally the topic at hand :P
I wish y’all would just agree to disagree, cause there is nowhere near enough info on radar specs or stealth coatings to know either way.
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No people must believe the narrative that either one side is decades ahead and that parity in any sense is impossible
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Its not a narrattive its objective fact. How 5th generation has russia put into production? 0, america has designed the f117, b2, f22, yf23, f35 and b21 all of these excludin the black widow have entered serial production and have been flying for a long time(b21 excluded). Russia cant even properly modernize their fighter fleet yet you guys think theyre anywere near comparable. Textbook cope
IR range, even fight
Radar range f-22 every time
120D don’t have 200 mile range tho.
Also the radars on like every fighter in US service are more than capable of 200 mile detection range, apg-77 on F-22 has estimated range exceeding 250 miles, and it’s much older than the new Apg 85 on block 4 f35, apg-83 on F-16, and APG-82v1 on strike eagle and F-15EX
They are all also capable of acting as Awacs through datalink, and battlefield command is a big part of 5th gen and upgraded US 4th gen
su-57 is in production? I agree its quantities are far lower but given the respective economies this is to be expected. But the economic differences doesn’t mean its decades behind in technology; otherwise using the same logic Europe is decades behind the USA.
You throw out all these vague terms what do you mean by this assuming you are discounting the upgraded flanker and fulcrum variants.
I can’t tell if you are misunderstanding me or not but I do believe the US has a significant advantage over Russia but they aren’t decades ahead. In terms of technology Russia is similar to the rest of Europe and should make a decent fight all the way up to 4.5gen aircraft.
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Its wasnt really until a while ago(very recently actually put proper engines into production and none have been made as far as i onow yet), and i temd to belive it isnt into working order as they havent been using it at all, also remind me how many su57 there are in service, you can include the “upgraded” prototypes.
Modernized russian flankers aren’t modern their sensor suites are vastly outdated. And drasticslly inferior to pretty much everything including other countries flankers. The only relevant mig29 modernization is the mig35, which nobody wants .
My brother in christ the us has been flaying stealth aircraft since 1987. First stealth fighter started flying in 1996 and entered service in 2005. They made slightly less than 200 in 10 years. The su57 first flight was a 4 years after the f35, and the f35 entered service in 2011. There are slightly less than 1 thousand built around the world.
Russia is still trying to make a b2 spirit equivalent(1997 entered service) and the us has already put the replacement into service.
The us is multiple decades ahead of russia. Saying anything else is so utterly insane its either straight cope, or simply lying.
first stealth fighter was 1990 actually, YF-22 counts even though its a prototype it still did manuevrs, supercruised, was stealthy ofc, and fired missiles
F-117 first flight was in 1981 too btw
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