Already has been a confirmed kill on a MiG 29 using R-37M.
I agree with more modern avionics the R-37M success rate deteriorates, but you still have to defend agaisnt it
source? and most importantly theyve been given a small number of f16 mlu block 20. that is not even remotely comparable to what i was referring. also you do ralize the effectiveness of r37m shot from a mig31 is largely not comparable to the same missile fired from a su35 right?
i mention that beinga thing already. defending against an r37m in a mig 29 with no awacs support and very limited situational awareness is not even slightly comparable to defending against a r37m in a 4.5 gen equipped fighter with Aesa radar, modern RwR, modern Ecw, Extensive datalink and friendly aircraft providing data for said datalink, and on top of that you likely have awacs up, its orders of magnitude of difference.
For maximum range obviously not. But the margins aren’t huge. This missile will pull at at best 25G and it’s faster than the ER, I don’t see how you think this will be bad
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its not pulling 25gs at terminal range at mach 6, and and long range shots are realistically the only reason to employ an r37. any modern fighter will start defending against an r37 as soon as it is launched.
See thats making assumptions, when war errupts between the PLA/PLN and USN/USAF those EAWACS and tankers are the most important targets.
China has developed the PL-15 and equiped the J-20 for that exact reason.
As you said no DL, no way to guide over the horizon shots, no tankers no gas for those F-22s.
China like Russia will be fighting on their back yars the US will need tankers and carrier groups.
The SU-57 is more or less a slightly stealth modified Su27, there are more key differences of course, but its really not that huge of a leap, and its far less stealthy than the F22 or F35 for that matter, and no its not solely because of the visible screws, the F22s as mentioned in some replies earlier in the thread have them too.
dont bring china into the argument as they have drastically different capabilities to russia. awacs wouldnt be needed in an airwar against russia, if r37 was deeemed that much of a risk they would pull them out.
its a low observability su35, also im pretty sure it hasnt even finished sensor integration yet and it would essentially be stuck with irst
Then you lose that Data link and the ability to fire 120Ds 200 miles. You lose battlefield command and control/refueling and you now have to fly further, reducing operational tempo.
Forcing the US to fight over Russian SAM networks. Simple fact is the US slept on the BVRAAM they didnt understand the importance of the system and now they have fallen behind.
projection? Would you be so kind as to make a real rebuttal?
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you dont.
russia doesnt have this capability either so instead of having the complete and utter upperhand in sensors they would just have the upper hand. Russian missiles are all outranged by american missiles. you seem to be bringing china into the question. which is nonsense, as whilst china has the advantage in missiles on paper, they have plenty of disadvantages.
Claiming russia is anywere near the US in terms of aircraft capabilities doesnt need a counterargument or any real time wasted on it to proove. its insanely stupid claim. russia doesnt have the scale, they dont have the technology, they dont have the weapons, and they dont have the training, there is not a single factor in which they have an advantage or in which they match. how many carrier strike groups does russia have? how many Awacs? how many 5th gens? r77-1 is massively outmatched by aim120d, russian aircraft all have outdated sensors, Aim174b would delete the already small awacs fleet, and again r37m range is nullified by stealth.
You do, unless you think you can sneak a Gen 5 in to do that job? Maybe you could, we wont know until it is attempted.
Russia has a missile with a longer range than the USAF and thats the R-37M which can be carried by all of their current front line fighters serving with the VKS and VVS. Only you are taking China and Russia lightly. The real analysts are concerned.
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russian s400 were useless in iran agaisnt israeli f35s, its fair to say that that will not be a large issue,
aim174b has a longer range than the r37m, and whilst it cannot being carried by f35, f35 can provide targetting data for it
Thanks to US interventions. Russian pilots are getting plenty of time behind the stick, something prior to this they were lacking.
Carriers…Russia have none (not really relevant)
AIM174B can only be carried by USN aircraft and the F/A-18
Aim120D has a longer range than R-77-1 Russia would likely push for the R-77M or even integrate PL-12/15s from there new best friend China.
AWACS 5 I think
Then why hasnt the US gone in and put old Putin in his place, it being so easy?
incredibly relevant.
f35 can provide targetting data for it.
it would take time which russia wouldnt have, and china is not as friendly as you think, also aim120d range is much longer than r77-1 its not a close fight.
nukes.
Russian S-400 were useless in Iran…
We have no idea what the orders were from the S-400 crews. You can guarantee though that they saw it.
174b is a panic response from the USN because the USAF have dropped the ball. The 174b is an SM6 modified for air launch. What do you think drove this mindset? The PL-15 and R-37M.
F-35 can do that of course but can it do undetected thats what we dont know.
This is turning into “top trumps”
insane cope, like absolutely stupid what youre implying, s400
its in response to china, whatever the reason may be it still wouldnt change that it that a sm6 without its booster launched from 40k feet is going to outrange a r37m.
Iran doesn’t even have s-400 only s-300???