This also shows the new RAM coating the 2nd generation Su-57s have
Yes XD
Been interesting watching the videos and commentary from the Zhuhai airshow 2024 where the Su-57 was on dispay in static and flying form. They do airshow performance very smoothly but do not look overly stealthy, or have very good quality control.
But…and its a big But…
They aren’t true Su-57s but T-10-4 (flying) and T-10-7 (static). Roughly akin to placing the XF-22 alongside an F-22A, you just really expect the production planes to be materially better even if performance chamges are only marginal. I’m pretty sure even Russia can manage that (note I’m not saying Raptor beater standards) at least in early service - although the foreign reception of some of the new Chinese types proves its not always the case.
That’s what I believed
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Today’s events prompt us to mention the words of a highly authoritative Russian military expert:
‘12 missiles (subsonic cruise missiles, my note) mean six aircraft. […] Letting such a bunch of planes and missiles slip through takes some doing.’
So, we have a fifth-generation fighter jet that can only launch its missiles from deep behind the lines and is incapable of intercepting a handful of bombers from the 1970s on its own border. What kind of doctrine is this that it supposedly adheres to?
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You should all concede that this is the supperior stealth aircarft
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Su-57 still is technically a prototype. They only just got the engines and stuff sorted out
There are always improvements to be made, I get the impression Russia are now tidying up integrating the systems and improvements that export customers expect.
no modern fighter is getting hit my an r37m. it simply isnt going to be a big worry for fighters. meteor on the other hand? if you’re in range you better start praying.
insane cope
You are speaking with vast background experience on how these 2 missiles will perform I presume, right?
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no but last time i checked the interception rate on what are lightly upgraded ukranian mig 29 and su 27 for r37 launched from mostly mig31 was like below 30%. that is as close to an hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby scenario as you could imagine. ukraine has developed som domestic modernized rwr but i have doubts on how many aircraft got that upgrade and how good said upgrade would be.
r37m is not designed to fight fighters. the fact its being used as such is because russia has very little choice.
it would be a danger to tankers and awacs absolutely, but against 4.5 and 5th gen european and america lovecraftian monsters of Situational awareness they would have drastically lower effectiveness. at least that is only logical
Yes that’s why they don’t even dare flying near the east with F-16s I bet. Interception rate of ~30% at ranges over 200km is more than great, especially against fighter sized targets
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Already has been a confirmed kill on a MiG 29 using R-37M.
I agree with more modern avionics the R-37M success rate deteriorates, but you still have to defend agaisnt it
source? and most importantly theyve been given a small number of f16 mlu block 20. that is not even remotely comparable to what i was referring. also you do ralize the effectiveness of r37m shot from a mig31 is largely not comparable to the same missile fired from a su35 right?
i mention that beinga thing already. defending against an r37m in a mig 29 with no awacs support and very limited situational awareness is not even slightly comparable to defending against a r37m in a 4.5 gen equipped fighter with Aesa radar, modern RwR, modern Ecw, Extensive datalink and friendly aircraft providing data for said datalink, and on top of that you likely have awacs up, its orders of magnitude of difference.
For maximum range obviously not. But the margins aren’t huge. This missile will pull at at best 25G and it’s faster than the ER, I don’t see how you think this will be bad
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its not pulling 25gs at terminal range at mach 6, and and long range shots are realistically the only reason to employ an r37. any modern fighter will start defending against an r37 as soon as it is launched.
See thats making assumptions, when war errupts between the PLA/PLN and USN/USAF those EAWACS and tankers are the most important targets.
China has developed the PL-15 and equiped the J-20 for that exact reason.
As you said no DL, no way to guide over the horizon shots, no tankers no gas for those F-22s.
China like Russia will be fighting on their back yars the US will need tankers and carrier groups.