The SU-57 is more or less a slightly stealth modified Su27, there are more key differences of course, but its really not that huge of a leap, and its far less stealthy than the F22 or F35 for that matter, and no its not solely because of the visible screws, the F22s as mentioned in some replies earlier in the thread have them too.
dont bring china into the argument as they have drastically different capabilities to russia. awacs wouldnt be needed in an airwar against russia, if r37 was deeemed that much of a risk they would pull them out.
its a low observability su35, also im pretty sure it hasnt even finished sensor integration yet and it would essentially be stuck with irst
Then you lose that Data link and the ability to fire 120Ds 200 miles. You lose battlefield command and control/refueling and you now have to fly further, reducing operational tempo.
Forcing the US to fight over Russian SAM networks. Simple fact is the US slept on the BVRAAM they didnt understand the importance of the system and now they have fallen behind.
projection? Would you be so kind as to make a real rebuttal?
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you dont.
russia doesnt have this capability either so instead of having the complete and utter upperhand in sensors they would just have the upper hand. Russian missiles are all outranged by american missiles. you seem to be bringing china into the question. which is nonsense, as whilst china has the advantage in missiles on paper, they have plenty of disadvantages.
Claiming russia is anywere near the US in terms of aircraft capabilities doesnt need a counterargument or any real time wasted on it to proove. its insanely stupid claim. russia doesnt have the scale, they dont have the technology, they dont have the weapons, and they dont have the training, there is not a single factor in which they have an advantage or in which they match. how many carrier strike groups does russia have? how many Awacs? how many 5th gens? r77-1 is massively outmatched by aim120d, russian aircraft all have outdated sensors, Aim174b would delete the already small awacs fleet, and again r37m range is nullified by stealth.
You do, unless you think you can sneak a Gen 5 in to do that job? Maybe you could, we wont know until it is attempted.
Russia has a missile with a longer range than the USAF and thats the R-37M which can be carried by all of their current front line fighters serving with the VKS and VVS. Only you are taking China and Russia lightly. The real analysts are concerned.
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russian s400 were useless in iran agaisnt israeli f35s, its fair to say that that will not be a large issue,
aim174b has a longer range than the r37m, and whilst it cannot being carried by f35, f35 can provide targetting data for it
Thanks to US interventions. Russian pilots are getting plenty of time behind the stick, something prior to this they were lacking.
Carriers…Russia have none (not really relevant)
AIM174B can only be carried by USN aircraft and the F/A-18
Aim120D has a longer range than R-77-1 Russia would likely push for the R-77M or even integrate PL-12/15s from there new best friend China.
AWACS 5 I think
Then why hasnt the US gone in and put old Putin in his place, it being so easy?
incredibly relevant.
f35 can provide targetting data for it.
it would take time which russia wouldnt have, and china is not as friendly as you think, also aim120d range is much longer than r77-1 its not a close fight.
nukes.
Russian S-400 were useless in Iran…
We have no idea what the orders were from the S-400 crews. You can guarantee though that they saw it.
174b is a panic response from the USN because the USAF have dropped the ball. The 174b is an SM6 modified for air launch. What do you think drove this mindset? The PL-15 and R-37M.
F-35 can do that of course but can it do undetected thats what we dont know.
This is turning into “top trumps”
insane cope, like absolutely stupid what youre implying, s400
its in response to china, whatever the reason may be it still wouldnt change that it that a sm6 without its booster launched from 40k feet is going to outrange a r37m.
Iran doesn’t even have s-400 only s-300???
Bingo, which is how any conflict with Russia or China ends
So having a Gen 6 mach 8 airframe makes no difference.
Carriers are just a floating airbase but where do you deploy them to face Russia and keep them out of missile and drone attack. Which is why Russia are scrapping there carriers they are purely for force projection and not much use in a defensive landwar
iran has s400.
changing the goalpost i see? a nuclear war with russia would still result in a russian loss btw, a missile/ drone attack against carriest would result in no damage. russian missiles have no capability to go through a strike group’s airdefenses
Why would a Russian S-400 operator reveal they can see an F-35? The same way an Israeli pilot would never publicly announce the S-400 was tracking them.
Whys that then…US Nukes are better, come on dude this is top trumps now.
they arent russian operators. they are iranian operators and they would’ve shot at the incoming f35s.
even if what conspiracy theory youre claiming youre trying to spin is true
you do realize that INSANE propaganda value of russia shooting down a f35 would be? youve quite literally shut of your brain and are in schizo mode