Is the Su-57 really worse than the F-22?

I also feel it silly to compare the SU-57 to the F-22 when the SU-57 is supposed to be a competitor to the F-35.

If it would come to warthunder yes in sim because sim is more distance based and stealth capabilities are more useful but in a realistic battle it would probably not make a much of a difference, because the su-57 has emitter locating that means it can detect a radar emitter and using the f22 without it’s radar is probably not done.

isnt the an apg 77v1 already on the 22?

also, what is peregrine?


1350km/h

Did you run out and check the tightness?

Peregrine is a new missile it’s smaller and allows more to be carried in stealth configuration.

I mean I don’t know specifically (as in with information that is most likely restricted) how well (modern) MANPAD seekers do against stealth aircraft.

I mean if the MANPAD platform doesn’t know where it is, they’d be much less likely to actually acquire it. Not to mention any sort of rules of engagement stuff (where even the LAV-AD seems to have fairly restrictive rules of engagement when not in contact with the Marine Air Command and Control System).

It is currently not used as such as it is prohibited, but it was meant to. The point was to show that close-range air defense systems using ARH missiles.

I’m not sure about MANPADs, but for general close-range air defense the Strela and Type 93 come to mind. There are also missiles like the Javelin which rely on a human’s eyesight, which can also be fooled by dazzle camo.

Ok ty

Or certain people showing wear and rust on Airshow Non-Combat ready F-22A Raptors that of course aren’t maintained because they aren’t meant for combat, I’m not saying you did that, just that a lot of people in this thread have been posting this image even though we already told them this in the past.

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Some of these photos are from in-service aircraft stationed in Japan or from a rotation through Poland. All aircraft wear the same and airshow aircraft are far more meticulously maintained than in-service aircraft.

All pictures on this thread (I have seen) showed F-22 Raptors from the Demonstration team which are again not maintained for Combat. . As far as i know all other F-22s are maintained correctly for air to air combat and most of them do not show this much wear since they would be considered unfit.

Yes, and they are considered unfit. The US Air Force as well as the Army is fettered with officers false reporting operational readiness as is tradition. This is something every servicemember knows firsthand. The tanks and jets are poorly maintained and overused to the point that proper maintenance intervals cannot possibly be met.

That point aside, there are many photos of the F-22 in service with WORSE paintjobs than what has been seen on that demo team aircraft.

Those aircraft with « worse paint jobs » are serving in areas where they are not expected to meet threats so the stealth coating isn’t maintained as it should, some environment are also more hostile towards the fragile stealth coating and a total overhaul of the latter would mean bringing back the Raptor to the states, and the US clearly doesn’t want to do this since it would cost a lot.

1/3 of the F-22 fleet is not being maintained because of this ( roughly 63 airframes) the other 120 are being kept in perfect condition for eventual combat sorties. It’s not that they can’t, it’s that they don’t deem it necessary.

That is not true at all, the aircraft are not being properly maintained or reset on the correct intervals and neither are the tanks or other equipment. These are aircraft that are in legitimately dangerous areas of the world doing real patrols and securing NATO’s borders.

No that is a fact, the un maintained Raptors are sent to low risk areas, otherwise, they’re being scattered all over the place alongside the 120 other maintained raptors that have their stealth coating intact and ready.

There’s always a crushing majority of Fit Raptors over unfit ones in any base they are deployed to, and again most of those « unmaintained » Raptors are sent to relatively low risk areas.

This is a thread about the F-22 and the Su-57 though so please remain on topic and avoid mentioning « tanks and other equipment… »
I would love to discuss this in DMs though if you are willing to.

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Didn’t have time to send, my bad. These are actual production Su-57s, no rivets :)

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Su-57 is a wimp compared to the F-22.

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I like how arguments between what is the “better” 5th generation fighter always ends up being “nuh uh, you’re wrong, I’m correct, trust me bro.”

We all obviously know better than the engineers and research & development teams responsible for F-22, F-35, J-20, Su-57, etc. and what they intended to create in order to fit into the doctrines of their each respective air forces.

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Honestly, I think this part people tends to forget way too often

That aircraft (and any vehicle for that matter) is not created equally simply because they are made for a very specific doctrine and modus operandy in mind, even if they share their primary role (say, “multi-role fighter”)