Is the Su-57 really worse than the F-22?

vietnam says hello
agent orange says sorry
mai lai massacre etc etc

afghanistan says hello
drone strikes say sorry
bagram prison etc etc

america isnt a saint nor the flagbearer of freedom and democracy.

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This is a Discussion about the F-22 and Su-57 buddy. Don’t derail the topic.

hypocritical

Lmao, a pot calling kettle black

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Cool, you can show a damaged F-22. And those “bolts” aren’t bolts. They’re flush with the airframe.

Sure. Whatever you say. I didn’t bring up “asymmetric” warfare in a discussion about how the F-22 is better.

i wonder how much proof it will take…

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so basically… you spoke about economy in a sukhoi vs raptor thread and i responded…
and im derailing the convo?

anyway, ill take my comment abt the afghan and Vietnam thing as an argument winning statement

It’s flush with the airframe :|

Exposed bolts and mesh is different than flush bolts that don’t hinder your stealth.

Yeah, because Economy is directly tied to Technological Development…

and as you can see here
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these are SUNKEN hence they might as well be invisible

plus this is a pre production airframe

but not how good either of the two aircraft are.
you can make a superior aircraft with a lesser economy

I swear man.

Sunken and budged bolts are not FLUSH. Do you not know what FLUSH means? Do I need to explain it to you?

be my guest

you do know that whatever you say…
it wont change how different materials cast different amounts of radar return

and fyi flushed means level with a surface.

those bolts on the 22 are not perfectly flushed

Flush with (something) - Idioms by The Free Dictionary

Definition 2. Adjective

Fitting snugly or evenly next to something else.

Example: The drywall isn’t flush with the jamb, that’s why you’re having trouble opening the door all the way.

Example: I think you’ve put the wrong puzzle pieces together. That piece clearly isn’t flush with the one next to it.

Example: Why doesn’t this outlet cover flush with the wall? Did a screw come out?

Being bulged out or inside of something is not FLUSH and horrifically damages your radar signature.

severely magnified
can you now see how they are not flushed?
plus they are not level surfaces. they are asterisk bolts (*) shaped
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You’re cherry picking a damaged F-22.


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Do you see how the average F-22 doesn’t have obvious nose damage? What you’re doing is Deceptive Imagery Persuasion by choosing one single damaged airframe and using it as if it’s every aircraft and it’s not working.

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and you are cherry picking those few pre production sukhoi airframes with bad stealth

could say it better but you own words will do