Is the Su-57 really worse than the F-22?

GDP directly correlates to Percent of GDP spent on military, which correlates to Military Budget and Technological Investment, which translates to more advanced tech.

The US has 100 times the budget in their military compared to Russia.

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for NATO countries maybe, because we have a 2% rule. the whole world, most of it, isn’t NATO

More correct to say that GDP includes military spending - which is a major reason why Russian GDP has been maintained for the last couple of years.

GDP does not, however, include non-monetary contributions to society such as unpaid work.

As someone who has first hand experience flying both these planes I can confirm that J20 beats both of them.

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Can concur I’m Xi Jinping’s top guy and he told me so

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Unpaid work doesn’t make up that 100 times gap.

The Su-57 has visible bolts. That’s bad. Especially for Stealth.

military budget doesn’t always translate 1:1 into military effectiveness, as seen by the many blunders the US and other big spenders have made

Not the point - the amount of unpaid work is likely relatively similar and simply isn’t measured as part of GDP, whereas arms production is.

There is worse… top image is normal operation with engine blades directly visible - mesh screens in bottom image are for foreign-object ingestion defence while on the ground - not a stealth feature.

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Relative size is also interesting:

those mesh screens are radar blockers AKA radar deflectors.
so instead of a 90 degree incidence angle of the waves, its a 30-60 degree incidence angle which deflects most of the waves in directions not towards the scanning radar.

still not F-35 levels of stealth but a stealth feature still.
its possible radar blockers are a second layer ahead of the mesh screen but eh idk

I’ll admit I’m not an expert on economy, and I doubt anyone here is, but it’s a fact that the US has the strongest economy and military in the world. It’s simply untouchable.

In other words, the F-22 is leagues above the Su-57. I doubt even some older F-15 would lose to it.

While the world is gearing up for WW3, the US is gearing up to fight an Alien Invasion LMAO

eh, id say something but id get flagged with a very common term these days

asymetric warfare says hello

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The alien invasion has been happening already and they don’t do anything about it, so much for the best military innit

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Honestly id take F-22 over Su-57 every time, based on the information we have.

It might some day become a good legacy tier fighter but as it is now, its just a fancy junk.

Heck even the “troubled” F-35 started development later than Su-57 and still F-35 has been produced over 30 times more (even if we include Su-57 test aircraft). Honestly russia should just cut their losses with the plane, u cant get it right everytime.

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So does every other stealth aircraft, great job at coming to the realization that aircraft aren’t held together by industrial grade tape

I love the horribly modeled image! Why don’t you get us an actual picture of the Su-57’s intakes?
Believe it or not, it would entirely negate your argument…

And what changed?

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But pictures that guy above provided - slightly higher from these photo positions

This thread is a bait for all those entitled yankee gringos to mesure their penises.

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Only reason that works is because we, the west, self-impose limits on ourselves that lose wars like that.

Unfortunately, that’s just what happens when Politicians make the rules for the people with experience.

No lmao

Show me an exposed bolt on an American Stealth Aircraft.