Is the Su-57 really worse than the F-22?

[ron_2303]

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[BBCRF]

and this is also a different video, it doesn’t apply to this case.

[ron_2303]

I know.
I was asking if that’s the kill you meant.

[noister]

then which kill?

[BBCRF]

@ron_2303

I was asking if that’s the kill you meant.

no

[S-200VE_Vega]

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[ShOt_MaCkEr]

This bait post is still going on? Damn

[ron_2303]

i accept it when somebody explains to me why iam wrong insted of calling me an idiot,

so thanks for the explantion

[BBCRF]

@S-200VE Vega

on the right what the circle with 217 is, indicates maximum range of missile which shrinks or increases
based on for example, closure rate as you can see on the video and other videos like firing r77

This is not the maximum range of the missile. If you don’t know, don’t write nonsense.

[S-200VE_Vega]

@BBCRF

This is not the maximum range of the missile. If you don’t know, don’t write nonsense.

feel free to include a source or a proper explaination as to why this is not the case
the only other possiblity is TTI which is still not range and the original point stands, the missile was not fired at the range of 217km nor is the indicator on right a range indicator

[BBCRF]

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[BBCRF]

This is not the range of the missile, it is the time before the hit.

[S-200VE_Vega]

mhm

[BBCRF]

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[S-200VE_Vega]

@BBCRF

The range here is less than 80 km, while the counter on the right shows 81

do you think i was saying that the counter is range?

[BBCRF]

Is the Su-57 really worse than the F-22?

[image] As you can clearly see based on the increments the range is 160km+22% of 40km which is 8.8km. so, 168.8km was where the missile was fired at. on the right what the circle with 217 is, indicates maximum range of missile which shrinks or increases based on for example, closure rate as you can see on the video and other videos like firing r77 [image] No, the shot at this video was not shot against a target that was 217km away

You wrote about it yourself.

[S-200VE_Vega]

@BBCRF

You wrote about it yourself.

kill range calculated from right. made a guess between kmax and tti, tti was correct therefore the maximum range would not have been the correct guess however when talking about the topic of kill range it was also clearly said that the right circle does not indicate it and the twitter post saying that is non sense

[BBCRF]

Is the Su-57 really worse than the F-22?

Seems like my other opinion was correct and this proves and doesn’t change the fact that [image] this here is non sense (and the range wasn’t 217km)

This Twitter message is just garbage. The frame does not relate to this episode. As far as I know, the defeat was recorded in 2022, and this frame is from 2024.

[noister]

then which kill are you talking about specifically? what launched it? what missile? what target?

[noister]

@S-200VE Vega

tti was correct therefore the maximum range

i think he is getting confused between “max range” according to those conditions, and the optimal “max range” of 400km against a headon target at high altitude (which is also how other missiles max ranges are advertised)