Is the abrams really that bad realistically?

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@Fluffy_Bucketles

We know for a fact that it doesn’t have a spall liner.

M1, M1A1/HC/SA/AIM, M1A2/SEP/SEPv2 missing spall liner bug report acknowledged by Trickzzter of all people.

@Fluffy_Bucketles

We know for a fact that the turret armour is pretty close to reality short of making up armour that doesn’t exist

DU in game increases armor protection from the Swedish Trial values by 3.7%. BRL was mentioning armor packages with 35% more protection. That is a near 10x difference in how protective Gaijin thinks DU is.

@Fluffy_Bucketles

The Brits have been provided with no particularly good premiums, America got a Premium that is essentially an F16A with negligibly worse performance, and then bitch because “We wanted it to tech tree” when for once Gaijin makes a glorified prototype a premium.

Imagine if Gaijin added the British Aerospace EAP, the Avro Vulcan (pretend it would be viable for sake of analogy), or the Goshawk as a premium.

@Fluffy_Bucketles

Compare this to France, where every good midtier light tank came in as an event vehicle so we can’t even get it if we’re missing it because event lock.

Welcome to US top tier.

@Fluffy_Bucketles

The Challenger is fixed in the same way installing a swinging door in place of garage door fixes a garage.

And the Abrams has still not been fixed, it’s been 4.5 years since the M1A2 was added with the missing DU armor (or just increases in the hull armor whatsoever).

@Fluffy_Bucketles

The Abrams did not cause internal debates about ethics, as it is arguably the best option in game outside of Russia or China.

US ground top tier is at best in fourth place right now behind Sweden, Germany, and Russia. Before Air Supremacy, they were still fourth behind Russia, Germany, and Sweden.

@Fluffy_Bucketles

Sweden and Germany are not catered to.

Very false.

@Fluffy_Bucketles

If they were, we’d have our stuff actually accurate, instead of nerfed into the ground because Americans are too stupid to use their kit effectively.

Oh, like how US stuff is nerfed into the ground because other Big Three (plus Sweden) nations don’t like having to aim for weakspots, so Gaijin makes most of the tank a weakspot?

@Fluffy_Bucketles

Especially not when we provide plenty of information from reliable sources and get rejected.

You are literally describing what happened to the Abrams and MANPAD stuff, at least the Challenger got a pity response even if it didn’t change much.

@Fluffy_Bucketles

Unlike Americans who make shit up and it gets accepted, whether it is about their own kit or about others.

Where has that been happening? The only thing I’ve seen is properly sourced US bug reports getting shot down for no reason. I’m honestly surprised the spall liner bug report got through even though the evidence is solid. Meanwhile Gaijin just kinda guessed at the T-80BVM, T-90M, and 2S38’s capabilities and that was fine.

@Fluffy_Bucketles

In short, your victim complex is irritating because it is one without a basis in reality.

I should be saying that to you.

@Fluffy_Bucketles

F15 should be locked at a G limit of 9 when laden with weapons

When is it’s structural limit not that?

@Fluffy_Bucketles

The F16a should be only slightly better than Gripen, but it is not because Americans keep making up documents to prove their stuff is magically better than literally all sources state.

It is only slightly better (like barely).

@Fluffy_Bucketles

Oh and let’s not forget you got your reload buff to the Abrams from a Leclerc bug report that didn’t even go on to help Leclerc.

I mean Gaijin hates France, but regardless a 5 second reload is the requirement for loaders IRL. And if you bring up “they can’t do that moving,” Gaijin would need to make autoloaders damageable (in addition to making it so that the barrels of tanks would need to align with the autoloader, for applicable tanks).

[hienapunk]

@Fluffy_Bucketles

The Brits have been provided with no particularly good premiums, America got a Premium that is essentially an F16A with negligibly worse performance, and then bitch because “We wanted it to tech tree” when for once Gaijin makes a glorified prototype a premium. Compare this to France, where every good midtier light tank came in as an event vehicle so we can’t even get it if we’re missing it because event lock.

My brother in Christ, you have the only techtree M8 Light.

[Panther2995]

@hienapunk

I cant even figure out what his consistent position on any one argument is.

One thing you can be sure about him is that he always misunderstands other people.

That will be enough.

[БЕИ]

Way too many US mains in here, the few you argues with barely touched the USSR tech tree to understand the struggles every vehicles has lol

[БЕИ]

Don’t bother, he don’t even play the T-90M, furthermore his TURMS-T also tells you that he struggles in it more than anything else, suddenly something with somewhat greater reverse speed like the T-80s somehow improved the KDR lol

[WaretaGarasu]

I can understand the complains, everyone wants their tanks to be accurate, but the Abrams is nowhere near as being bad in this game, unlike many people state here.

[Lyn_poster]

In this case its more like CASOID doesn’t understand how easy it is to bomb from low earth orbit while the pantsir or ITO struggles to guide its floppy missile past 8km, worst part is they always fall back on the “just shoot the munitions down” like the CAS cant just RTB and have 6x more mavericks in a few minutes while you’re out of ammo

[GenOfGames07]

shocker the military with the most budget is good at keeping secrets???

[Mongaroth33]

@Panther2995

Doesnt have exposed Turret Ring

It does have exposed turret ring that’s why the nets were added to protect exposed turret ring from atgm and heat shells by redirecting it into relikt era

[Panther2995]

@Mongaroth33

It does have exposed turret ring that’s why the nets were added to protect exposed turret ring from atgm and heat shells by redirecting it into relikt era

İ never noticed, can you Show me?

[Mongaroth33]

Ye wait sec playing eu4 rn getting ready for eu5

[aDSD]

@MekboyVN_068

USA lineup fought with Russia 9.3 (which is Click bait vs T-72A).

For that to be accurate T-72A would need to have half of avaible rounds options stripped and 16 MM plate removed.

[Panther2995]

@Mongaroth33

Ye wait sec playing eu4 rn getting ready for eu5

No worries take your time.

[Mongaroth33]

here is the irl image you can clearly see the turret ring turning game on rn to do the image aswell just hoping i wont have problems with nets

[Panther2995]

Yes it is visible in this picture but doesnt cope cages in game prevents this kind of expose?

[Offenbanch]

@Ladies__Man_217

there’s nothing wrong with American teams,

It is. Those team win, whose players are impoing their battle tactics.
Nato tanks are stronger, but their players are more passive than soviets. + Usa cas strong planes, but not everyone uses them.

@Ladies__Man_217

sweden-germany-russia in

Yes, because current best tank is leopard 2a7

@Ladies__Man_217

only thing that keeps USA winrates down is lack of armo

Nope. The problem are not characteristics, but efficiency. USA is losing due to a bunch of odl players on the top prem or squad Abrams. (all other nations do not have premium 11.3+). And USA is the most popular nation in the game, so larger the sample, the worse the average skill

[aDSD]

Better showcase is T-80BV ERA playcement vs T-64BV ERA placement (overall coverage of the turret neck)

[Mongaroth33]

the nets were to prevent atgms/heat by redirecting them into the era it wont protect against any apfsds

[Mongaroth33]

i did not spade t64b so cant do that

[aDSD]

@Mongaroth33

redirecting them into the era i

In game they only fuse these, they dont redirect.
If ATGM has high pen it still could theoratically pen.