Is the abrams really that bad realistically?

My bad on not know the full context. But why did it need to be recalculated. M735 was already a mediocre round even on the older calculation.

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The figures M735 had been based off of were a jumble of multiple different methods and sources. Statistics given to it followed that of many different iterations of XM735, and its flat pen had almost no tie to its angled pen by the basis of the penetration calculator, instead being pulled from the previously mentioned pool of sources.
The point of the change was to give it a realistic and uniform statistic to run off of, though what’s currently in contention is whether or not the right iteration of XM735 is being used as a basis for calculation.

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How so?

Means nothing when constantly disabled.

Even without knowing anything about tanks, it should reasonable enough to conclude the performance of the Abrams makes no sense when you realize the amount of money the US spends on their military yet somehow doesn’t manage to create a tank to surpass Russia who is still riding the wave from the Soviet era with an economy that of a small European country.

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alot of people tried to show and give hard proofs of this but this community doesn’t deserve it, so they stopped posting or playing this game, and they got attacked for it maybe threatened too, but somehow these trolls are doing a good job on this forum.

Abrams surpassed Russia from the start.
No Abrams is inferior to Russian equipment.
Even the first M1A2 SEP is superior to T-90M, which is why it doesn’t have M829A4 but instead has the best <130mm round in the game M829A2.

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Thanks razervon for your clarification, really appreciate it.
As i said, the abrams survived TWO Anti-tank missiles to the hull, and let’s not forget about how the abrams isn’t equipped with its real armor so yeah Abrams is really superior to any soviet-russia equipment.

You’re trying to argue with someone that claims Pantsir isnt good against aircrafts and suffers.

You’re basically wasting your both time and energy.

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Please find one example in which i called the abrams superior to the leopards

Just becuase you cant fly an F-16C as CAS properly doesnt mean toptier SPAA is good they universally are inferior to the CAS they fight

Lets see:

T90M has:

-Better armor profile
-Much better protection
-Has Spall Liners
-LWS
-Has better Vertical Targeting Speed
-Has similiar acceleration despite it lacks same amount of horsepower but has less ground pressure
-Has much lower profile
-Doesnt have exposed Turret Ring

Now lets Compare M1A2 SEP
-Has better Top speed
-Better Reload
-Better Reverse Speed
-Better shell, tho 3BM60 is more then enough to deal with anything, if you claim otherwise that means you have skill issues.

Results are clear, T90M is overall better vehicle Meanwhile SEP is more suitable for certain scenarios where its reload and reverse Speed shines.

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You dont have F-16C and you surely dont have Pantsir but you still throw empty claims despite having zero experience on both platforms.

Meanwhile i have both Pantsir and F-16C and i already know how both platforms performs against each other.

Next time dont throw empty claims on something that you dont even have in the first place.

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Nah im just having fun with our good old Razer.

İ know what kind of person he is and how he thinks but sometimes i like to bite his bait and actually respond to him, thats all.

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I have the gripen which has the exact same ordinance essentially its pathetically easy to just throw AGMs at people i easily shit on pantsirs in the few GRB games ive played with it

Lmao, it doesnt even come close.

Gripen has Better flight performance while having much less armament that effects its flight performance less then F-16C.

Sure you can throw Mavericks to braindead Pantsir players that doesnt even care whats going on battlefield but any semi decent Pantsir player will easily destroy your slow Mavericks while forcing you to stay away from battlefield.

Like i Said before dont make claims on something you dont even have in the first place.

You forget the fact that the exact meta of top tier is forward speed, reverse speed, and reload speed. All things the Abrams is great at and which the T-90M sucks at.

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Why does flight performance even matter in this case lol you’re delusional stick to messing with razervon

Because it determines how agile can you be and how effectively you can evade incoming SAM missiles maybe?

By this Logic even Tornado should be superior to any top tier Sam platform while in reality it basically becomes food.

You also purposely avoided my comment about how slow Mavericks are and how easily it can be destroyed by Pantsir, guess cherrypicking is your best point.

İf thats the case then Japanese tanks should have been the best ones, sadly that crown belongs to Strv122 and Leopard2A7V.

Do you have any other claims? İ would like to hear them tbh.

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I have no idea what kimd of person he is. I cant even figure out what his consistent position on any one argument is.