…Yet you have better armor and survivability than them…
And the Challenger, too.
Barely?
Chinese MBTs have massive, unrealistic LFPs - through which they will always get OHKO. And larger breech weakspots.
I don’t think that’s good armor. An Abrams getting shot in the LFP will likely survive.
Mobility - barely better. Reload and survivability, far worse. Indescribably worse. Also a far worse shell - as the Abrams M829A2 is one of the best shells at top tier, being superior to DM53 and only beaten by long barrel DM53.
With a 5.3 second experted reload while Chinese tanks and the T-90M are stuck at 7.1. Although the T-90M at least has that famed Russian magic survivability and side armor with 250mm KE ERA while Chinese tanks only have 50mm of side armor.
Well, no - they in fact have 80mm of base side armor in real life.
And side ERA developed, just like Russian tanks. Even on the LFP.
The reason why this isn’t in the game is simply negligence? Not allowing a far richer and more capable country to stand above Russia? Whatever it is - I’m kindly informing you that your statement is actually incorrect.
Yet you dont have mobility or reload to deal with them in the first place, also Abrams survivability is pretty much non existents due to massive weakspots and insane spalling.
Tell me you never played both of those Tanks without telling me.
And? So does Abrams.
Did you just claimed ZTZ99 series and VT4A1 has barely Better mobility then SEP families? Lmao.
Reload sure, survivability matter of perspective i think.
Anything that pass 550mm penetration is more then enough to deal with anything, if penetration was such an issue STRV122 wouldnt be the best tank.
İts a matter of skill issue and personal choices.
T-90M is immortal compare to M1A2 families, i dont remember how many times i survived from bs situations with that tank.
For Chinese ones they are similiar or better then M1A2’s in some cases in my book.
The mobility is barely different? You do realize the M1A2 SEP is still 24.4hp/t with a modern Western gearbox? It’s objectively among the top performing vehicles mobility wise, and easily comparable to the fastest tanks in the game.
On that note - your reload is faster than the Challenger 2 (the 6.5 base is only for the first 3 shells, then the reload jumps), the same as the LeClerc, and 1 second slower than the Type 10 which is the only tank at top tier with a 4 second reload - which also has far worse armor.
Your mobility is also comparable to the LeClerc and Type 10, and far better than the Challenger 2.
Both SEPV1 and SEPV2 does have 22.9 HP/T, only SEPV1 achieves better performance without TUSK kit Meanwhile Leclerc AZUR does have 27 HP/T ratio and other ones have even better.
Type-10 family also does have 27HP/T ratio which makes also better then SEP and even Regular M1A2 versions, Abrams doesnt come close to fastest tanks in mobility part, especially SEP family.
Yet you trade mobility and general armor profile.
With Ace crew, without ace crew your reload is worse then Leclerc and it becomes even worse if you loose your loader.
Type-10 trades armor with mobility and fire rate, also Abrams armor profile is nothing special especially with that gigantic turret ring expose.
İm not American player but i suggest grind and play other nations top tier before making empty claims.
About this : HP/T ratio doesn’t mean much in War Thunder.
Leopard 2A6 weights 59,9 tons (25,04 power/weight ratio) while Leclerc AZUR weights 57 tons (26,32 power/weight ratio). Yet, Leopard 2A6 is actually faster than Leclerc AZUR as displayed in the videos below :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg4z_8Rhrj4
That’s because gear ratios matter a lot. And while Gaijin fuck the Leclerc’s gear ratios, they’re pretty good on the Abrams and Leopard 2A6.
Leclerc AZUR is thus much slower than you might think
So on top of having no armor whatsoever, the Leclercs actually aren’t that mobile either. Let’s not forget you have the worst APFSDS round at top tier … And you get one of the worst top tier MBTs. Yay.
Never had any issues outaccelerate and speeding Abrams in my AZUR tbh, so this sounds weird but could be true.
Meh its true although Abrams also doesnr benefit in that section top much considering everyone either shoots LFP or Turret Ring.
580MM penetration is not best for sure but its more then enough to do the job, personally i would like to get armor improvements,Spall Liners and fuel tank changes before getting new Shell for Leclerc series.
İ also dont think its the one of the worst top tier mbt’s anymore, after countless buffs Leclerc family became really solid in my book and it will only get better from now on.
What I’m saying is the AZUR may outaccelerate the Abrams, but if it does, it does by a tiny margin.
The LFP is also a weakpoint on the Leclerc and I frankly never heard or seen anyone shooting for the turret ring. USA players have to stop making such a big deal out of it. Volumetric makes it too random to take my chances shooting there.
575mm*. And that’s always easy to say when you’ve got a 629mm shell with more spalling to use instead …
While they’re now definitely better than the Arietes and Challenger 2s, they’re still a worse choice than the ZTZ-99A or the Merkavas. That puts them in the bottom part of the ranking IMO.
I don’t really have anything to add about the Abrams seeing as how anything fair that gaijin could do for it will never fundamentally change how the tank is played in my opinion. But maybe a small bit about US and other nations instead;
Now, keeping in mind that a solo queue player such as myself can have massively different stats to a squad player and that I tend to typically play full matches rather than die and leave:
If I tally my stat card by winrate, and discounting vehicles I hardly have any matches in, I have more than 1 page of vehicles above 50% WR for soviet ground vehicles and… well
like 10 US vehicles (for rank V and above, different story at rank IV where US can be argued to be pretty menacing)
To also be honest though it’s pretty bad of me to go off of statcards to judge my performance with a particular battle rating’s lineup because for the first 70% of the statcard it’s being brought down by being stock and with a few exceptions I don’t keep playing spaded vehicles unless they’re fun. US is just rarely fun at top tier.
