Out reload at the cost of even worse armor and in case of the Type 10 considerably worse gun handling.
Worse reload after 4 rounds, far worse gun elevation speed and pretty much being a driving weakspot with the hull and mantlet.
Worse gun depression, worse gun depresion, worse gun elevation speed, carousel without the funny DM moments that the BVM profits from.
Worse armor, worse reload, worse ammo layout and ready rack size, worse gun depression.
Never disagreed that this one is better than the Abrams in the WT meta, I just disagree that it’s on the same level as the 2A7V and 122s.
Far worse gun depression, reload and reverse speed. It’s not a big deal and I would never pick it over an Abrams personally.
the 2A7V and Strv 122s are easy S tier while the Type 10 and BVM are either low in S tier or high in A tier. However the M1A2 and SEPv1 are still easily A tier MBTs together with the Leclerc (although maybe I would put the SEPv2 in B tier).
I mean, considering the last tank to tank combat was 73 easting, and the Abram’s was there, and no losses were taken, but they were also facing T-72M1’s. So considering it hasn’t really faced anything more technically advanced than a T-72M1, I couldn’t tell you, but I’d say, it probably is.
Meanwhile Abrams gigantic turret ring,LFP weakspot and right turret cheek says hello.
Type-10 might have worse armor but its mobility and reload rate compenstates its weakness, Meanwhile Abrams doesnt.
You mean just like Abrams? You’re constantly ignoring Abrams weaknesses again.
İt actually has so this is another false claim from you also most of the maps has cqc and flat enviroments which negates chinese mbt’s depression problem.
36 degree horizontal and 15+ vertical is basically par on Abrams gun handling which makes your claim pointless as well.
Since mobility is usually leads to better results Merkava wins in that case.
Nobody said anything like that, you okay?
Since i have both Tanks i can easily say T-90M performs better then Abrams in most cases.
İts also actually big deal considering better armor coverage requires more time to aim to weakspots while T-90M can easily target your gigantic turret ring or lfp which usually leads to either getting crippled or death, not gonna even talk about side and angled shots tbh.
T-90M is a better tank overall.
Abrams doesnt come close to Leclerc’s, especially V1/V2 with that fatass.
Current SEP versions can be considered B tier at best, Regular M1A2,SEPV1 without Tusk kit and AIM can be considered between B and A tier.
But also keep in mind that 73 Easting had a lot of M1A1 and a little bit of IPM1 and M1
So basic composite layout without the extra DU turret inserts, best shell available was the M829A1 for the M1A1 and the M900 for both the IPM1 and M1, thermals were 1st gen and the FCS was “old” (compared to nowadays)
As the Russian’s line of tanks expanded with the T-72Bs,the T-90s and the T-80s,so is the Abrams.
As we are speaking,we have a tank with next gen DU inserts in both hull and turret, the best available KE and CE shells, top of the shelf FCS and Thermals and even a freakin’ hard-kill APS
And let’s not talk about the reliability upgrades regarding mobility and so on.
The only thing that is,and will always be,a problem for the Abrams is the weight: it’s chonky.
Other than that,the quality of the tank resides not only in its specs,but also in the skill of its crew and in the skill of the command (i mean the strategies and doctrine it is used)
The leclerc has the exact same 5s reload while the type 10 trades everything for speed and reload
Both the CR2E and CR3TD have 24 hp/t with the m1a2 and sepv1 having slightly higher and yeah you’re right it doesnt have a turret ring weakspot it has an even worse weakspot called the Entire LFP along with the drivers port and the entire gun breach area
Chinese MBTs have some of the worst armour on average what do you mean
The merkava have slightly better mobility on paper but again they have awful gear ratio aling with everything else about them being inferior to the abrams
The abrams has a more powerful round, better reactive mobility far better gun depression and i cant even be asked to write anymore
Just because someone started an account on X-Box doesn’t mean they still play on X-Box, and also, just sounds like you think everyone should be an entitled brat and have a PC to be able to play on.
Ehhh potato potato,i know they need a good polishing,but at the same time i don’t want them to be fully realistic bc it means they’ll face 9.3 tanks constantly lmao
Abrams doesnt reach to 5 seconds until you get ace crew while Leclerc does have it from the start, also Leclerc doesnt loose its reload speed when it loose crew member.
Just like Abrams.
Both Tanks shares LFP and Driver port weakness but Abrams also does have Turret Ring weakness.
Tell you have no idea what you’re talking about without telling me you have no idea what you’re talking about.
Gear ratio on Merkava4’s are perfectly fine, dont know what you’re talking about.
3BM60 is more then enoug to deal with anything, if you can its skill issue.
Aside from reverse speed T80BVM beats the shit out of M1A2 series in mobility.
As i Said before many maps are actually based on CQC and flat surfaces which negates depression problem most of the time.
Nobody asked you to write in the first place, you just decide to come and throw some random claims.
And you are ignoring all the CR2/3 weaknesses again to cherry pick.
23 degrees verticle vs 15 degrees verticle. so a ~53% increase is “basically on par” now? Talk about cherry picking.
Bit incosistent arguing no? First you say that mobility usually leads to better results, but then when it suits you suddenly it’s not important anymore?
There is a reason why I personally haven’t bothered to grind the T-90M, because it’s simply not worth my time when I already have the T-80BVM and T-80U.
I always consider the SEPv1 without tusk, because only insane people keep it equipped. It’s still easy A tier for the SEPv1 and M1A2.
-LFP
-Driver Port
-Turret Ring
-Right Turret Cheek
-Gun Breach Weakness
Results are clear, you’re the one who despretaly cherrypicking.
Sure if thats how you wanna play it but dont forget Abrams loses that competetion against T-72B3,BVM,90M, Leclerc and Leopard2 series.
You dont wanna go down that road.
Oh you mean you basically dont have T-90M but you like to do shit talk about it cause you cant handle the truth?
T-90M’s acceleration and the time it needs to reach to its top speed is much lower then M1A2, sure Abrams does have better top speed and reverse speed but it doesnt matter shit when you cant reach that top speed in time. Oh did i also mention Abrams have much worse ground pressure that basically makes it Heavy tank right next to T-90M?
Dont talk about something you dont even have in the first place, you’re just throwing empty claims thats all.
İ like extra protection from time to time and you’re personal opinion doesnt mean shit tbh.
Meanwhile the Challenger 2 has a far worse ammo layout in the tank and an arguably worse reload (5 seconds only for the first 4 rounds).
Some of the things I mentioned the first time, but you conveniently chose to ignore either to make the Challenger look better or the Abrams looks worse.
Cute tactic lmao. I’m perfectly fine going down that road.
If the Abrams was better in that regard than the BVM, 90M and Leopard 2s I would have actually mentioned that, you act like I didn’t know these tanks have better verticle speeds lmao.
I like to talk shit about it because of how easy it is to fight against lol. That’s it.
So the M1A2/SEPv1 (without tusk) has better top speed, better HP/ton and better reverse speed while the T-90M has better acceleration?
Idk 3 advantages to 1 doesn’t seem like a bad tradeoff.
Meanwhile you give your own personal opinion in the same sentence.
Also didn’t you just call a 53% faster vertical drive “basically the same”? That also sounds like an opinion.
Hopefully you aren’t talking about the heatmap/thunderskill statistics here lol.
Which is more then enough to kill any Abrams model if it gets engaged with.
Each tanks has its pros and cons but having better mobility and overall armor profile makes Challenger2/3 series more suitable for more scenarios.
Let me remind you that you’re the one who claimed 17 degree vertical difference wasnt a big issue once, i just played your own game against you,guess it hurts lmao.
Meanwhile has much worse armor, lacks spall liner, LWS, and regular one has much worse thermal resolution, not to mention since those tanks still has worse ground pressure it actually doesnt make much better.
Idk 2 advantages vs 4/5 does seem like a bad tradeoff actually.
The difference is i dont call other people insane just because they decided to equip TUSK kit meanwhile according to you every single SEP version should be used without TUSK kit.
Didnt you threw random bullshits about T90M without even having it in the first place? Your personal opinions are speaks louder then any other opinion in here.
Try harder tho.
İm sure you have access to Gaijin’s own personal statistics, please share with us so we can see how Abrams family actually performs at top tier but everybody already knows how badly they perform, even Gaijin realized this and increased the fire rate after the patch but didnt help it that much.