Been a few games, i’ve had atleast 1 guy that just moonclimbs to 44km above us and just stays there ,does nothing all game and i ask him why, he tells me he is weak and doesn’t want to fight.
We catch up to him and he just airport dives and waits us out.
He thought we would loose on time and objective but we had a bomber.
Overall a booring game, and you can’t do anything against this.
Guy was 0/0/0 all game.
Is there really nothing to be done on gaijin’s side to atleast mitigate this?
the real question is, did bro even get any reward? And if so, the reward system should be changed. Else, idk why he was even doing that
He was pretty adamant he would win on time and on objectives , which is fair, his team did a lot early on and did objectives,but we had a bomber and a few good strike aircraft so we could push back.
I am not sure if picked the right one, but your description of exchanges in the game chat fits perfect to his match:
https://warthunder.com/en/tournament/replay/308411147577604463
Is this the match you are referring to?
You can report them for passive behavior but I think that’s it sadly
He chose to live and seek for a chance, by ground or by himself. In this case, he thought he’s weak and his tickets had advantage, so he made a best solution to maximize what he had, though sadly you have a bomber. A whole team ready to engage him kept him away from the fight. Forcing a player to suicide is simply ridiculous in a PvP game, it’s the mechanics that needs to be changed.
I am not sure if your conclusion holds any water.
If the OP confirms that this is the “right” match, the replay shows a complete different picture. As the embedded chat log reflects the described content i would say the probability that we have the “right” match is almost 100%.
Assuming that it would be the match, the match looks like following:
From my pov almost everything stated by the OP is either wrong or just misleading:
Even from a rather neutral perspective this whole thread looks like posted out of frustration - he chased a higher and faster aircraft, wasted 16 minutes, ended the match with a mission score of 25 points and got a gifted victory because the 109 was noob enough to get caught by the inactivity timer…
I seriously hate these threads from appearing over and over again. I wish Gaijin has a clearer policy on what really counts as Passive Gameplay.
In my mind, If you are:
A. Losing
B. Not doing anything like setting up, trying to climb, or bleed tickets.
Then you are passive. Still, there are cases where the game gets dragged because you don’t want to deal with a 3v1, nor a 2v1 so you get pushed to AF, or you just took off and the enemy’s whole airfleet is at your AF. (Which happened to me countless of times.) but in this situation, getting zoned hard so the enemy has a free pass to groundpound, but not getting any leeway to give yourself a position shouldn’t count as passive gameplay.
As long as they’re winning, they have the free-will to do whatever they want to keep that position, even in the scummiest way possible. The only way to remedy this possible situations from happening is to make maps more fair or give it “easy-to-kill” ground targets eg: the three groups of trucks that spawn when the match is <5 minutes.
I am way more relaxed in such cases. Humans tend to blame others for own mistakes and also the individual perception of certain incidents is often misleading.
You might agree that wt is very good at keeping you emotionally attached, so i have a certain degree of understanding for the underlying frustration.
In another (similar) case it was way more obvious that a player tried to blame an actually far superior player as “passive”:
So freaking infuriating to lose this way - #7 by Real_K_Soze
In this case the “enemy” 109 pilot had no clue how to play (unable to set up an energy trap) and no clue about the inactivity timer; so he was not that smart as he thought he would be.
The only things in common: Both incidents happened on the same map.
I do not think we really need such a clarification.
This passive game play topic is imho a purely abstract issue - as long as we don’t see any evidence that gaijin is actively banning people (temp or perma) from playing the game (chat bans are not relevant) the mentioning of passive game play is just a placebo.
It reminds me at this Scottish law:
Cattle call
Drunk and in charge of a cow in Scotland? That’s illegal. Under the Licensing Act 1872, it is an offence to be drunk in charge of a carriage, horse, cow or steam engine, or whilst in possession of a loaded firearm. If found guilty of this offence, perpetrators could find themselves jailed for up to 51 weeks or fined £200.
If somebody is able to show me a drunk farmer having a nice walk with a cow being prosecuted i might change my mind.
Have a good one!
He wanted to annoy you and waste your time. He succeded.
Let people play how they want
Off topic, what the hell is that law LMAO.
https://warthunder.com/en/tournament/replay/308722442512633046
These kind of stuff happens more often than you think.
Obivously the 44km thing was an exageration, but I did see it a few times in older matches, but then i just didn’t bother climbing again.
Is it wrong that I made a thread out of frustration because of an legitimate issue? The replay i’ve posted above was just us basically doing nothing for 15 minutes.
As for boring game, what I would expect from an outnumbered plane in a BF 109 was to head on me,many are willing to head on a jap plane with no issues,the BF 109 has armor,i don’t, all it takes is a wing shot and i’m down.
As for the tickets , i probably didn’t understand how the tickets are ticked for ground kills and AI kills.
However , as you can see on the replay i’ve posted just now, there’s just not enough objectives to do this late in the game to actively impact the course of the game because of a moon climber.
You clearly haven’t played this game for long enough to care about your own time, I value my own time and I don’t want to J out . If i really wanted to do that i would just head on basically the first plane i see,get a kill ,die and be done with it. 3 mins match.
Yeah, i played it for 10+ years
Yeah, i value my time more than you value your own.
In situation like this i simply J-out/land&leave and go play next battle. I literally refuse to chase that guy, i am not giving him that satisfaction.
If everyone did that,the game would be a toxic wasteland,get kill and J out, not doing objectives and play the game as it was intended to.
Clearly this is a gaijin map design issue and not giving objectives to players late game.
They don’t even have to penalise these players, let them do what they want , but give me more things to do in that case.
already is, and almost always was
Yeah, i do, i fight other planes, and refuse to deal with trolling by not chasing moonclimbers
You can go chase him, you can ground pound, or you can leave and play next one
You can’t really, not in all cases, as in the replay i’ve posted above,there were no objectives remaining for us to do .
I did go chase after him only to be penalised by Aiport hogging.
I do not wish to J out of a game just because of one player,that would give him the win.
You either fight the troll or not. I value my time, so i do not.
You can always use an in-game chat to release frustrations, thats why chat is in the game.
I am looking for solutions, if you are content with the status quo, then fine, but I always strive to improve the game . If you don’t wish that,fine, but don’t try to force that view upon others.
He’s not forcing his view though he’s just giving his opinion