Is it about time to start merging all of these whinge and moan threads, and finally make a stance on them?

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Yes, this is very true. I don’t really envy the devs on that one. Tbh the latest update was/is visually gorgeous, I was struck when it dropped and I jumped in game and saw it myself. I already thought WT looked visually beautiful, and I didn’t think it could get much better, and yet it did.

Filtering out the “flavour of the month” complaints from feedback is a bit of a thankless task. Then again, this is just a forum. Repetitiveness and silly discussions are par for the course.

Also Dodo, I wanted to quickly mention that when I started playing the game in 2022, after a few months I started lurking on the old forum and checking old threads for tips, thoughts, etc, and saw several posts from you which vere quite interesting. I’m glad to see you here on the new forum too.

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It doesn’t just look absolutely beautiful, it also enhances the game by making it more realistic. Like by providing some cover to less powerfull planes. It makes the game so much more enjoyable because you have to think more. And yet people complain.

Thanks man!

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This thread got purged, lol, posts deleted without notice. Very nice guys.

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Just the ones that were overly abusive and unhinged… ;)

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Even the mod’s post was removed

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Sorry man - but this is probably the worst example you could have picked up to support your claim.

This cloud thread is just an example of how serious troubles of some players were addressed not precise enough (like the OP) and people without any cards in Air RB feel the necessity to post their view on things despite they are not addressed in this thread.

I mean if the title says ARB (= Air RB), the OP refers to Air RB and the topic is posted in Realistic Battle sub-forum - why in gods’s name Air SB, Air AB or Ground RB players feel the need to post their thoughts despite they are off topic?

I fully agree that the OP had maybe just a bad day with using the title “Remove the clouds in ARB” and asked in his post for a complete removal - so fulfilling this type of “complaining post” what is the overall topic of this thread - but he addressed some valid issues regarding Air RB.

What happend is the topic got derailed due to off topic statements, profanities and insults like in almost every other thread, but the only guy which had more than opinions against a reducing of this heavy cloud layers / fog madness was actually a naval guy who pointed out that they weather conditions in all modes (Air/Ground/Sea) might be somehow connected.

If i read this:

you are just posting a personal opinion without any evidence that something of this happened in this thread - so again, this is not the right thread to prove your hypothesis.

No offense, but you were unable to provide such claims in this thread itself - but you post as Air Arcade pilot something about realism?

Just by looking at your vehicle stats you obviously prefer PvE actions in your matches - and clouds are fine to hide for PvE players in Air AB. There is nothing wrong with your opinion or play style, but unfortunately most of the matches in Air RB are decided by player actions in PvP fights. So just another example of an off topic claim in an Air RB thread.

And your last sentence “And yet people complain.” There is nothing wrong when people address rather unsatisfactory results of unwanted and or unasked changes within the game if they can give clear examples how their game play is affected by such changes.

If you see the player base reacting on similar changes in Air RB like this 16 vs 16 or “Real shatter 1.0” nonsense you might realize that your own pov on things (like in this thread) can’t be validated by your own view on things, you need evidence. I would be happy to see some valuable arguments applicable for Air RB in the “cloud issue” thread.

Don’t get me wrong, i appreciate most of your forum input in the recent years, but in cases like this you have to expect feedback of people able to debate based on facts and not on opinions.

Anyway - have a good one!

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My judgement of the cloud reception results mainly from the air RB chat, where these comments are frequent on clouded maps.

Also, I have not played much Air Arcade in some while, unless some task is ideal for a quick run in arcade or I have some very specific job at hand. My oppinion regarding clouds is solely based on air RB. I therefore assume that much of your other Arcade based writing can be dismissed as you base it on wrong assumptions. I will direct the remainder of my reply to other aspects you mention.

Is there? Of course, people may complain. But do they complain about something personal (me me me suffers) or something in general, where the overall concept suffers? I dare say most complains in these pages are of the me_me_me! type. Fewer are of the overall type and some of those are again hidden me_me_me! ones.

What evidence do you seek? Do you live in a cloudless place? If I look outside, I usually see many many clouds. Often I don’t see one bit of sky. In the 70ties, it was even worse, as aerosols were more abundant. And I live in one of the main potential battlefields of the cold war, reminders are all over the place. We are not arguing about the existance of clouds, are we?

You too.

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Actually not, because from my pov (this time based on your Air RB stats) my assumption regarding PvE / PvP seem to be adequate too. But imho that doesn’t matter in the broader context.

Although i fully agree with your opinion that most of these “complain threads” are baseless, but imho they are just a result of several developments in Western civilizations affecting mostly younger players.

They grew up and learned that it is much easier to complain long and loud enough to get obstacles removed instead of dealing with them or to master them. That’s why social media content (with very rare exceptions) is dominated by this Kumbaya attitude and any obstacles have to be answered with a shitstorm leading to cancelling everything what forces them to think or learn - different views are classified as racist or nazi.

Regarding evidence:

I posted in the “cloud issue” evidence why fighting in heavy clouds with prop planes is highly unrealistic, maybe you didn’t saw it because i used a spoiler:

WW2 & weather

So during WW2 low cloud ceilings, fog or 9/10 clouds prevented mostly single engine fighters to take off - and even if the cloud ceiling was high enough for a take-off, the conditions prevented safe landings as the pilot training was not good enough to return to base (or even find it)

The rather limited fuel load was not enough to perform a mission and to allow long searches for your airfield, leaving ground level variations aside.

In addition you can’t compare irl to wt due to various reasons.

The total absence of any squadron tactics in wt is just a little part of it - so as a single engine fighter you (almost) always flew as a part of formation in order to protect each other - so even if the squadron took off in “bad weather” their goal was also to break through clouds as a formations due to this.

Last but not least - the weather played a much more important role in the ETO during than most guys are aware off, so as the weather in Europe is mainly coming from the West there, the 8th AF could time their missions that way that they had good conditions to take off (imho there is no such thing as good weather in the UK) doing some BTO (Bombing Through Overcast)sorties and the LW boys could not take off due to fog and /or heavy clouds.

I do agree that an “all-weather” jet fighter (having radar,etc.) with a trained pilot should be able to deal with all weather conditions.

So again, i invite you to continue with the cloud issue thing in the respective thread, otherwise i have to flag my own post as off topic.

Have a good one!

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I read it. A family relative was a meteorologist with the Luftwaffe. From that, they did fly in basically all conditions, IF it was required. Subordinate’s personal safty wasn’t a high concern among the nazis. There were many makeshift landing patches for pilots that couldn’t find home or made it that far.

Towards the end of the war, pilot quality was too low indeed for complicated flight operations, which was evident in “Bodenplatte”. But as you pointed out yourself, that was to a fair degree a pilot problem. Had this been 1940, the raid would have worked differently, due to better training.

I wasn’t going to debate clouds, just giving them as an example on how the mechanic we debate in this thread works. But you summed it up pretty well. Just add “lone” in front of racist.

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tldr, blabla yada yada
you feel shutting down deviating opinions and opposition is legitimate.
may i ask where you come from?

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Who are you even?

I don’t shut anything down, I often merely oppose the suggestion, and people get all upset to the point that they abuse and insult me because they have no counter to such an indepth point.

This is where the issue really lays… The players here are commonly merely abusive if they don’t get what they want.

And yes, you can ask, doesn’t mean I will tell you. My primary language is English.

Doesn’t make a difference.

But really, who are you even and why are you coming in here like someone who’s read everything I’ve posted, but merely had nothing to put out, except try and make an issue in another thread about it.

I stand by my statements, and have no issue in putting out opposition. It’s those who come in trying to say I’m wrong at the outset and relying on the abuse to shut someone down that are the problem.

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Do you have the ability to remove stuff

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This should be moved to the suggestion section of the forum, like all the other “wants”, just an idea

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You misread that…

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This game is a victim of it self, it can be very frustrating at times and many posts are valid points. 1 problem is the suggestion section is vetted, so what does that lead too?

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What even is this?

This isn’t a suggestion, it was a discussion…

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Zre you makeing a request for a change, a want or are you having a rant? Are you getting frustrated with the forum as many are with the game it self?

It was an evaluation of what i think is making a mess of the forum

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I was actually asking for others opinions on merging all the whinge and moan threads about how bad the game is and how game mechanics aren’t understood, calling for removal, and plain out developer/game blaming for the reason of the player failure to be merged into one and silenced directly…

After all there are a few who directly need to be told to get good, and that things won’t be happening because it’s the way the game is in the first place, so they need to learn it and adapt to it.

What is making a mess of the forum is those who feed this mentality and keep on debating the issues and trying to get to personally attack those who genuinely know because they can’t counter the knowledge, and only rile up someone for the absolute sake of the excuse.

If you can’t actually make a formulated, balanced and appropriate suggestion, then that’s not my problem.

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People whine because whining in public works with Gaijin. Quite often.

The naval map with AI forts? Forts got removed. Cause people complained.

People can see other players as dots in clouds? All clouds gone for over a year. Now they’re back, people are complaining about them again.

Air Conquest was the first attempt to do something new with Air AB in years. It’s gone after a couple months. How many new maps, introduced with press releases in the last few years, have just disappeared from rotation?

Simple fact is, complaining here, in particular about new features or modes, often works. So why not?

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Because much of the current ‘spam’ of threads, are little more than one line ‘‘suggestions’’ to remove anything and everything they can’t cope with…

Those are the ones I’m directly referring to…

And any opposition to it is met with abuse and insults, proclamation that you are one of those who do what they don’t like.