as an Iranian, if you add this im gonna play the game 24/7
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I’m wondering if gaijin would consider adding Iran. Is there problem with intellectual property or with information about Iranian vehicles?
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Wow, very very great
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great iran
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As some has already mentioned, the biggest problem that gets in the way of adding Iranian vehicles would be to get an accurate estimate of their performance not only for the vehicle itself, but for the weapon they are using.
The early imported vehicles and modified vehicles such as the M47M or the early Safir 74 would be relatively easy to estimate as their general performances would be either widely available in many sources (in case of the M47M) or would be similar to the counterparts they were based on (in the case of early Safir 74).
Meanwhile, some vehicles like the production Tiam or the Zulfiqar series would be difficult to get an estimate of their weight, protection, and mobility. So I think a guesswork might be neccessary in modelling these vehicle, not that most of the modern vehicle’s specific performances in-game (in particular their armor model) were mostly a guesswork anyways.
On the other hand, Iran does occasionally release some of the specifications and details of their vehicle and weaponry to the public via the Ministry of Defence Export Center site (aka MIndex - https://www.mindexcenter.ir - the webpage doesn’t work on mobile for some reason). The site obviously does not have an info of the top-of-the-line MBT like the Zulfiqar or Karrar, but they do have a good amount of info about the more “exportable” weapon system, such as ATGM launchers, tank modernization package, or light military trucks. The site is really helpful for gathering more info for various Iranian vehicle suggestion.
For example, here’s some info about the Majid SAM system (labelled as AD-08 for export). You can get the specification of the Aras LUV from the same site to get a general specification of the overall Majid system used by Iran.
https://www.mindexcenter.ir/node/1422
As a side note, here’s my recently approved suggestion for the Falaq MLRS. The info from the Military Index Center site has helped me a lot in getting more accurate for the otherwise relatively obscure Kaviran LUV platform that the system was based on.
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Speaking about the MIndex site, I’ve found that Iran still has the Boragh AIFA in their service. Now upgraded with Dehlavieh missile.
Given the power of the Dehlavieh missile (comparable to the Kornet missile) and it being analogous to the Zoljanah without the BMP-2 turret, this necesscitated the Boragh to be moved up in the placement, switching place with the Toophan-armed Safir.
In addition, I’ve also found a grainy image of what appears to be the M113 APC with Toophan launchers on the MIndex page of the Toophan 1 and 3 missile. While I’m not surprised by the conversion given the existance of the Boragh AIFA, I would definitely needed more info about this specific conversion, perhaps as a potential premium/event vehicle.
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You provided very good information. We hope these powerful tanks will be added to the game as soon as possible and we will see a new challenge in the game. +1
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Design
Armament
The main armament of the Karrar consists of a 125mm 2A46 smoothbore gun fitted with a fume extractor and a thermal sleeve.[8] A remotely operated weapon station armed with a 12.7 mm machine gun is mounted on the roof of the turret. The main gun is able to fire anti-tank laser-guided missiles.[35] A carousel autoloader is also present, removing the need of a loader.[36]
Protection
The Karrar is supposedly fitted with latest generation of Iranian composite armor and with explosive reactive armor panels mounted on the hull and turret. There are also armour plates on the sides and slat armour at the rear of the hull and turret.[4] The Karrar has three main types of ERA present. The first is what appears to be an Iranian copy of Relikt on the sideskirts and turret front, an unknown ERA on the top of the turret, and an extremely thick ERA on the front of the hull & turret sides previously seen on Iranian M60 tanks.[1]
Countermeasures
The Karrar features four dazzlers, each containing an electro-optical jammer and 3 laser warning receivers as part of its soft-kill active protection system. Alternative configurations remove the dazzlers, and have a single 360° PLDS-S-1 laser warning receiver on top. The same 360° laser warning receiver is present on Iranian M-60 tanks. Once a laser lock is detected, the tank can use it’s 12 81mm launchers[37] to deploy a smoke or aerosol screen.[38]
Mobility
Karrar is equipped with a 1000 hp engine. This hasn’t been officially stated but signs mounted on Karrar tanks present in Bani Hashem factory, Iran’s main AFV factory alongside Shahid Zainuddin, had the words “hp 1000” written on them.[38] Karrar’s power to weight ratio is about 20 hp per tonne as a result, and it’s speed is stated to be around 70 km/h.[38][5]
External fuel tanks can be attached to the rear in order to extend its range.[8] The range without fuel drums is 500–550 km, but at least 200–280 km further with fuel drums.[38]
Variants
On November 22, 2020, a service variant was shown. It lacked the metal sheet on the barrel, was painted in a tan color scheme, some tiny differences to the gunner’s sights, upgraded optical systems, and an electro-optical jamming system.[39][34]
Similarity to Russian tanks
According to military experts, the Karrar is based on, albeit inferior to, the Soviet-made T-72 and T-90, as well as American M1 Abrams and British Challenger 2.[3][5][dubious – discuss][unreliable source?]
“It is no coincidence that specialists regard the Karrar as some kind of a copy of the Russian-made T-90MS, the most advanced modification of the T-90 platform”, according to retired Maj. Gen. Vladimir Bogatyrev, chair of the Board of the Russian National Association of Retired Military Officers. He also added that “It is based on the T-72 platform, but it also has something from the American Abrams and M60 tanks. Some elements are borrowed from the M48 and the British Chieftain tank. They took all these elements and tried to design their own tank.”[7]
Pictures of the composite array of the Karrar tank show it uses reflecting plates, identical to those in Russian T-90 and T-72B/S tanks. The turret also looks extremely similar to that of the Russian T-90M/MS tank, albeit with a thicker front.
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Tiam (tank) :
Tiam (چشم ها lit. Eyes) is an Iranian main battle tank optimized from the Sabalan with a 105 mm gun. The tank was announced on April 13, 2016, and has a similarity to the Type 59 turret, with a Sabalan chassis, which is an Iranian modernized version of the M47M Patton. Iran stated that it possessed a brand new turret housing a smoothbore 105 mm cannon. Iran said it had a new fire control system, and new communication equipment, sideskirts and other improvements and cost less than half of the price of the Zulfiqar main battle tank.
Design :
The main armament of the Tiam consists of a 105 mm smoothbore gun fitted with a fume extractor and a thermal sleeve. It has a crew of four, including commander, gunner, loader and driver and has a coaxial 7.62 mm machine gun and a 12.7 mm DShK heavy machine gun mounted on swivel station at the commander hatch. The Tiam was fitted with latest generation of composite armor, with explosive reactive armor (ERA) panels mounted on the front of the hull and turret.
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Thanks for more info about the Karrar. I have done a bit of checking on images of the Karrar tanks, and I’m now believed that I might be able to tell which version is the IRGC variant.
Based on what I could find, the main difference between the IRGC Karrar and the Artesh Karrar is the presence of the soft-kill jammer on the turret cheeks, as you can see on the two images below. The mass-produced Karrar for the Artesh (second image) seems to lack these jammers and has similar ERA layout with the prototype (first image) instead. Aside from these differences, the Artesh Karrar is mostly the same as the IRGC variant, with three sensor and meteorological sensor that the prototype lacked.
With that said, now that we can identify the differences between each variant of the Karrar, I think the Artesh and IRGC variant of the Karrar should be added as a separate vehicle in the Karrar folder to expand the top tier lineup a bit.
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thank you
Karar has also been used in recent exercises in Iran
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This is the most amazingly absolutely based thing on the whole internet BY FAR.
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I think gun of Karrar is the same gun as T-72s or T-80s which Soviet uses. Even if we don’t know what round they use they can use soviet rounds and atgm for it. I’ve seen a video long time ago in TV that Karrar launched an atgm.
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I would love to see Iran enter the War Thunder.
Yes, it was also used in the 17th and 16th exercises of the Great Prophet, and it was also unveiled and used in the Zulfiqar exercises
What was shown proved that it is a very good and well-equipped tank
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Almas is a short-range surface-to-air missile for anti-armor attacks, which was made by Iran and developed for use in combat drones or as a ground base using fire and release guidance. The design of this missile is modeled after the Israeli Spike model
I searched more and found this. There are 2 types of Karrar in service of IRGC. First is Karrar who are built from ground up and second are T-72 that are upgraded to Karrar standard. T-72M in service of IRGC and T-72S in service of Artesh both are upgraded to Karrar standard. About these Upgraded T-72M I found this article from Tasnim news agency associated with the IRGC. It’s not up to official documents but better than nothing. I will post them here:
Upgrading T-72M to Karrar Standard:
Upgraded T-72M has anti thermal camo:
It has place to install soft kill aps similar to T-90A:
It has 2 FCS. Secondary FCS (I think it means for commander) from T-72 named 1K13-49 which Karrar use for guidance of laser atgm named Tondar missile and has Night Vision. Main FCS which is in gunner place is built by Iranian industry and claimed to be multi channeled which I guess by it means it has thermal imager for gunner.
Gun of this upgraded T-72M are unchanged. Roof 12.7mm NSVT is remote controlled.
Also my translation could be poor please read article yourself too.
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That’s really good find. This kind of confirmed that the Karrar with soft kill APS are the “high-spec” version that the IRGC ordered.
Here’s what I found about the exact model ATGM that were displayed with the Makran IFV during the reveal in 2021.
Apparently, this is the Sadid 1 ATGM, a TV-guided ATGM originally developed for drones and Shahed 285 helicopter, first revealed in 2015. Details about these ATGM are quite sparse, though they does have external similarity with the Spike-ER missiles. If that was the case, I think it might be possible that the Makran might be capable of launching the Almas ATGM due to the similar mechanisms between the two missiles.
There’s also an upgraded variant of the Sadid 1 called Sadid 2 and 3. These upgraded missile were revealed quite recently in the 2023 IRGC Aerospace Forces exhibition. Aside from outside appearance, we’re still don’t know the improvements over the Sadid 1, though my guess is that Sadid 2 has improveed guidance wheas Sadid 3 has heavier warheads evident by larger fins on the missile.
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This is what i found about Sadid:
Sadid 365 (Tasnim news agency):
It’s the newest of them that can top attack and has 8 km range. Its fins can be retracted and 4 of them will be installed on 2 side of turret of armored personnel carrier. There is video of its launch in website.
I found this in another website related to Iran’s military news called Jangaavaran which seems it has good information about it:
Sadid 1 first unveiled for Shahed 285 helicopter in year 2010 (solar year 1389). Shahed 285 model C in following pic that carry Sadid 1.
It doesn’t have thermal or TV seeker. They guess it must have laser seeker.
Prototype Shahed 285 had electro optic site which most likely is for Sadid 1 but in its operational usage it never had it.
New Sadid was shown with Shahed 129 drone in year 2013 (solar year 1392), and it has TV seeker.
Alongside these 2, bombs of Sadid family also unveiled for another drone. One of them had TV seeker and other unknown seeker but its head was black so they guess it must be light filter for thermal seeker. This bomb called Sadid 342 is based on Sadid missile. Its motors (booster and main one) and fuels are removed probably for bigger payload. To recognize Sadid missile for bomb you must take note on how they are loaded. All of Sadid missiles are loaded in tubes but bomb is loaded directly to drones.
In following picture tube of Sadid missile can be noticed:
Because bombs need to be attached to drones or helicopter there are hook like things on them, but missiles lack them because they are loaded in tubes. Their first generation of Sadid bomb and missiles were developed for Toophan helicopter so their fins were small and retractable but later they made their fins larger and fixed. As seen in pic 2 black belt is used to prevent fins from opening. This is because unlike TOW Toophan missiles that are loaded in tube in production, Sadid missiles are loaded by operators to their tube. Unlike TOW Toophan it doesn’t has wire due to different guidance. It’s TV guided Fire and Forgot. Picture of TV seeker:
Operator uses their own camera to locate target, but they must use Sadid own seeker to lock on target. Until impact operator can see from Sadid camera. Therefor electro optic site for helicopter is unneeded but can enhance capability. So Shahed 285 that doesn’t have electro optic site can still benefit from this version of Sadid if it has a monitor inside cockpit to see through Sadid camera.
Sadid 342 picture (notice 342 number on side of bomb):
As shown in picture it attached to drone’s pylon with hook. If you take a close look, you will notice its motors are removed. Without motors it must have a bigger war head due to free space.
This type of Sadid doesn’t have TV seeker but black cover suggests it’s thermal seeker and it’s there to filter normal light from infrared.
In year 2014 (solar year 1393) new Sadid unveiled:
3 types of Sadid bombs which 2 of them are same as last year but the new one has fixed and larger fins. Some sources said it’s Sadid 345. Because bombs are outside of tube, they don’t need retractable fins but because their body was same as missiles so those 2 also have retractable fins. Most likely sharing same body was done to reduce overall cost of development but using larger and fixed wings make their performance better.
Bombs in last picture has large and fixed fins but in following picture you can see small and retractable fins of older model:
2 types of Sadid missiles also shown that year. In last picture, missiles in tube are same as last year but the ones on the ground are newer with new seeker. In bottom of last picture you can see same new missile from side, and you can see S3A which most like means Sadid 3 model A. You can also see 92 in start of ID which could be solar year that project started or finished which also means missile unveiled year before was Sadid 2.
Shahed 285 model B with Sadid bombs also shown in year 2014 (solar year 1393). Same bombs as the ones that were shown year before and helicopter also shown in year 2010 alongside C model:
Notice TV seekers are pointed a bit down shown in bottom of pic.
Cabin of Shahed 285 model B in following pic:
It has 2 monitor which most likely one is for Sadid.
You can see HUD in left bottom too. This helicopter has 1 pilot because Iran doesn’t have access to more powerful engines. Fire and Forgot Sadid can help reduce workload on pilot.
You can see things that looks like are antenna under helicopter and on Sadid bombs.
It’s unknown why it has antenna when bomb is fire and forgot. Maybe it’s there so if bomb need correction in guidance, it can be done. This antenna thing isn’t on Sadid missile most like because missile is in tube and also it has very high speed that make correction by pilot impossible.
Loading 2 types of Sadid bomb in following picture:
Another picture of Sadid bomb on helicopter:
Sadid bomb with mercury cover in 2 types of fixed fins and retractable fins:
Saeghe drone with retractable fins Sadid bomb because it can’t use fix fins model:
Retractable fins returned to Sadid bombs to expand its carriers from Shahed 129 drone and Shahed 285 helicopter to more types of vehicles.
Following pictures are about mass production of Sadid bombs in year 2016 (solar year 1395)
Sadid bombs in MAKS 2017 show:
Sadid bomb catalogue in MAKS 2017 show:
This picture shows it has laser guided model beside tv and thermal guidance.
According to unofficial sources smallest Sadid bomb has 5kg payload explosive and 4km range which most likely is Sadid 342. Heaviest one is Sadid 636 with 20kg payload and unknown range.
In recent regional conflicts Sadid bombs had widespread use but not Sadid missile which according to some sources is because of problems with missiles. However recently some videos have been published that shown test firing of Sadid missile which suggest problems are fixed.
All of recent pictures about Sadid missiles shows them in tube which means their fins are retractables.
Also, recently in a TV show about Havanirouz of Artesh (Army Aviation), Sadid missiles produced by Artesh for their use has been shown:
Retractable fins, having nozzle in middle of body and lack of hook means it’s missile. However unlike other Sadid missiles till now this one has conical end like Sadid bombs. Another notable thing about Artesh variant is yemmer or magnesium fluoride cover.
These last pictures show widespread usage of Sadid bombs with TV or Thermal seeker on vehicles without electro optic system. Sadid bombs with TV or Thermal seeker can be used on cheap and largely available drones like Shahed 123 without risking expensive drones like Shahed 129. Maybe it’s the reason that there isn’t evident of laser variant in operational usage.
In information published about Shahed 216 helicopter there is mention of Sadid 361 fire and forgot missile:
2 pictures of RU-113ST and RU-320ST TV seekers used in Sadid family:
3 more pictures of TV and Thermal seekers that produced by Rayan Pardazesh most likely for Sadid family:
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