Iran’s warships are very fast and have different missiles and torpedoes, which would be very attractive if added to Warthunder.
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as an Iranian, if you add this im gonna play the game 24/7
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I’m wondering if gaijin would consider adding Iran. Is there problem with intellectual property or with information about Iranian vehicles?
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Wow, very very great
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great iran
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As some has already mentioned, the biggest problem that gets in the way of adding Iranian vehicles would be to get an accurate estimate of their performance not only for the vehicle itself, but for the weapon they are using.
The early imported vehicles and modified vehicles such as the M47M or the early Safir 74 would be relatively easy to estimate as their general performances would be either widely available in many sources (in case of the M47M) or would be similar to the counterparts they were based on (in the case of early Safir 74).
Meanwhile, some vehicles like the production Tiam or the Zulfiqar series would be difficult to get an estimate of their weight, protection, and mobility. So I think a guesswork might be neccessary in modelling these vehicle, not that most of the modern vehicle’s specific performances in-game (in particular their armor model) were mostly a guesswork anyways.
On the other hand, Iran does occasionally release some of the specifications and details of their vehicle and weaponry to the public via the Ministry of Defence Export Center site (aka MIndex - https://www.mindexcenter.ir - the webpage doesn’t work on mobile for some reason). The site obviously does not have an info of the top-of-the-line MBT like the Zulfiqar or Karrar, but they do have a good amount of info about the more “exportable” weapon system, such as ATGM launchers, tank modernization package, or light military trucks. The site is really helpful for gathering more info for various Iranian vehicle suggestion.
For example, here’s some info about the Majid SAM system (labelled as AD-08 for export). You can get the specification of the Aras LUV from the same site to get a general specification of the overall Majid system used by Iran.
https://www.mindexcenter.ir/node/1422
As a side note, here’s my recently approved suggestion for the Falaq MLRS. The info from the Military Index Center site has helped me a lot in getting more accurate for the otherwise relatively obscure Kaviran LUV platform that the system was based on.
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Speaking about the MIndex site, I’ve found that Iran still has the Boragh AIFA in their service. Now upgraded with Dehlavieh missile.
Given the power of the Dehlavieh missile (comparable to the Kornet missile) and it being analogous to the Zoljanah without the BMP-2 turret, this necesscitated the Boragh to be moved up in the placement, switching place with the Toophan-armed Safir.
In addition, I’ve also found a grainy image of what appears to be the M113 APC with Toophan launchers on the MIndex page of the Toophan 1 and 3 missile. While I’m not surprised by the conversion given the existance of the Boragh AIFA, I would definitely needed more info about this specific conversion, perhaps as a potential premium/event vehicle.
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You provided very good information. We hope these powerful tanks will be added to the game as soon as possible and we will see a new challenge in the game. +1
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Design
Armament
The main armament of the Karrar consists of a 125mm 2A46 smoothbore gun fitted with a fume extractor and a thermal sleeve.[8] A remotely operated weapon station armed with a 12.7 mm machine gun is mounted on the roof of the turret. The main gun is able to fire anti-tank laser-guided missiles.[35] A carousel autoloader is also present, removing the need of a loader.[36]
Protection
The Karrar is supposedly fitted with latest generation of Iranian composite armor and with explosive reactive armor panels mounted on the hull and turret. There are also armour plates on the sides and slat armour at the rear of the hull and turret.[4] The Karrar has three main types of ERA present. The first is what appears to be an Iranian copy of Relikt on the sideskirts and turret front, an unknown ERA on the top of the turret, and an extremely thick ERA on the front of the hull & turret sides previously seen on Iranian M60 tanks.[1]
Countermeasures
The Karrar features four dazzlers, each containing an electro-optical jammer and 3 laser warning receivers as part of its soft-kill active protection system. Alternative configurations remove the dazzlers, and have a single 360° PLDS-S-1 laser warning receiver on top. The same 360° laser warning receiver is present on Iranian M-60 tanks. Once a laser lock is detected, the tank can use it’s 12 81mm launchers[37] to deploy a smoke or aerosol screen.[38]
Mobility
Karrar is equipped with a 1000 hp engine. This hasn’t been officially stated but signs mounted on Karrar tanks present in Bani Hashem factory, Iran’s main AFV factory alongside Shahid Zainuddin, had the words “hp 1000” written on them.[38] Karrar’s power to weight ratio is about 20 hp per tonne as a result, and it’s speed is stated to be around 70 km/h.[38][5]
External fuel tanks can be attached to the rear in order to extend its range.[8] The range without fuel drums is 500–550 km, but at least 200–280 km further with fuel drums.[38]
Variants
On November 22, 2020, a service variant was shown. It lacked the metal sheet on the barrel, was painted in a tan color scheme, some tiny differences to the gunner’s sights, upgraded optical systems, and an electro-optical jamming system.[39][34]
Similarity to Russian tanks
According to military experts, the Karrar is based on, albeit inferior to, the Soviet-made T-72 and T-90, as well as American M1 Abrams and British Challenger 2.[3][5][dubious – discuss][unreliable source?]
“It is no coincidence that specialists regard the Karrar as some kind of a copy of the Russian-made T-90MS, the most advanced modification of the T-90 platform”, according to retired Maj. Gen. Vladimir Bogatyrev, chair of the Board of the Russian National Association of Retired Military Officers. He also added that “It is based on the T-72 platform, but it also has something from the American Abrams and M60 tanks. Some elements are borrowed from the M48 and the British Chieftain tank. They took all these elements and tried to design their own tank.”[7]
Pictures of the composite array of the Karrar tank show it uses reflecting plates, identical to those in Russian T-90 and T-72B/S tanks. The turret also looks extremely similar to that of the Russian T-90M/MS tank, albeit with a thicker front.
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Tiam (tank) :
Tiam (چشم ها lit. Eyes) is an Iranian main battle tank optimized from the Sabalan with a 105 mm gun. The tank was announced on April 13, 2016, and has a similarity to the Type 59 turret, with a Sabalan chassis, which is an Iranian modernized version of the M47M Patton. Iran stated that it possessed a brand new turret housing a smoothbore 105 mm cannon. Iran said it had a new fire control system, and new communication equipment, sideskirts and other improvements and cost less than half of the price of the Zulfiqar main battle tank.
Design :
The main armament of the Tiam consists of a 105 mm smoothbore gun fitted with a fume extractor and a thermal sleeve. It has a crew of four, including commander, gunner, loader and driver and has a coaxial 7.62 mm machine gun and a 12.7 mm DShK heavy machine gun mounted on swivel station at the commander hatch. The Tiam was fitted with latest generation of composite armor, with explosive reactive armor (ERA) panels mounted on the front of the hull and turret.
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Thanks for more info about the Karrar. I have done a bit of checking on images of the Karrar tanks, and I’m now believed that I might be able to tell which version is the IRGC variant.
Based on what I could find, the main difference between the IRGC Karrar and the Artesh Karrar is the presence of the soft-kill jammer on the turret cheeks, as you can see on the two images below. The mass-produced Karrar for the Artesh (second image) seems to lack these jammers and has similar ERA layout with the prototype (first image) instead. Aside from these differences, the Artesh Karrar is mostly the same as the IRGC variant, with three sensor and meteorological sensor that the prototype lacked.
With that said, now that we can identify the differences between each variant of the Karrar, I think the Artesh and IRGC variant of the Karrar should be added as a separate vehicle in the Karrar folder to expand the top tier lineup a bit.
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thank you
Karar has also been used in recent exercises in Iran
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This is the most amazingly absolutely based thing on the whole internet BY FAR.
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I think gun of Karrar is the same gun as T-72s or T-80s which Soviet uses. Even if we don’t know what round they use they can use soviet rounds and atgm for it. I’ve seen a video long time ago in TV that Karrar launched an atgm.
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I would love to see Iran enter the War Thunder.
Yes, it was also used in the 17th and 16th exercises of the Great Prophet, and it was also unveiled and used in the Zulfiqar exercises
What was shown proved that it is a very good and well-equipped tank
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Almas is a short-range surface-to-air missile for anti-armor attacks, which was made by Iran and developed for use in combat drones or as a ground base using fire and release guidance. The design of this missile is modeled after the Israeli Spike model
I searched more and found this. There are 2 types of Karrar in service of IRGC. First is Karrar who are built from ground up and second are T-72 that are upgraded to Karrar standard. T-72M in service of IRGC and T-72S in service of Artesh both are upgraded to Karrar standard. About these Upgraded T-72M I found this article from Tasnim news agency associated with the IRGC. It’s not up to official documents but better than nothing. I will post them here:
Upgrading T-72M to Karrar Standard:
Upgraded T-72M has anti thermal camo:
It has place to install soft kill aps similar to T-90A:
It has 2 FCS. Secondary FCS (I think it means for commander) from T-72 named 1K13-49 which Karrar use for guidance of laser atgm named Tondar missile and has Night Vision. Main FCS which is in gunner place is built by Iranian industry and claimed to be multi channeled which I guess by it means it has thermal imager for gunner.
Gun of this upgraded T-72M are unchanged. Roof 12.7mm NSVT is remote controlled.
Also my translation could be poor please read article yourself too.
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That’s really good find. This kind of confirmed that the Karrar with soft kill APS are the “high-spec” version that the IRGC ordered.
Here’s what I found about the exact model ATGM that were displayed with the Makran IFV during the reveal in 2021.
Apparently, this is the Sadid 1 ATGM, a TV-guided ATGM originally developed for drones and Shahed 285 helicopter, first revealed in 2015. Details about these ATGM are quite sparse, though they does have external similarity with the Spike-ER missiles. If that was the case, I think it might be possible that the Makran might be capable of launching the Almas ATGM due to the similar mechanisms between the two missiles.
There’s also an upgraded variant of the Sadid 1 called Sadid 2 and 3. These upgraded missile were revealed quite recently in the 2023 IRGC Aerospace Forces exhibition. Aside from outside appearance, we’re still don’t know the improvements over the Sadid 1, though my guess is that Sadid 2 has improveed guidance wheas Sadid 3 has heavier warheads evident by larger fins on the missile.
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