The us started making frankensams with aim-9m’s and there have been reports of those being in ukraine already. If we can see launches of those and verify the missile type, we could have some useful low altitude information on the missile smoke. One could also assume the average atmospheric conditions on the time of the year they are using those missiles which can be useful supplementary data. Maybe even find a date for the video and check conditions of the launch day.
Yeah no i’m looking for a source that states the smokelessness for those altitudes because in that regard it would always be smokeless in those altitudes despite any other atmospheric differences.
At same altitudes you can have different humidity, different temperature and so on
So this is why a single video with their specific conditions at one altitude can’t exactly prove that the missile would be smokeless at same altitude in different conditions than in the video.
İts not always smokeless regardless of altitude, on previous replies another person posted some videos about Aim-9M and X that shows they have visible contrail during launch and midflight, its obvious these parameters are depending on altitude and weather conditions.
İf there is any significant report about those conditions its gonna take some time to find it.
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There are studies that were done to missile smoke in general that may be helpful.
Maybe but if they dont have direct relations to sidewinders i dont think it will be a good source to make a bug report to begin with.
Lol, Lmao even
Dis you?
Have you perhaps considered watching your enemy more closely i.e. watching wheatear his nose is pointing at you? Unlike the R73 the 9M doesn’t pull all that much, its a 9L in that aspect.
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It couldn’t be used as an example source directly but if we have enough sources it might indirectly translate into how the conditions change the output of smoke, so instead of 9M being either fully smokeless or “smokeful”, it could output less smoke at X condition and more smoke at Y condition if the conditions permit smoke output
Yes it could be helpful in that case with other sources.
But i still dont think Gaijin is willing to put such amount of effort in this case, maybe they will in the future.
Who knows… better to try and see. Many of the upcoming missiles will be utilizing low smoke motors and it would be ridiculous for all of those to be broken. Also our SAMs suffer from too much smoke. I made a report about the roland 3’s smoke and they said “passed as suggestion to developers”…
You are using “smoke” very loosely, clearly 9M has some technology reducing and even completely removing smoke at various conditions. You’re gonna need something correlated to that technology or whatever reason it is that makes it smoke-less for a bug report.
My guess is the propellant, but what do I know
Yea it wouldnt hurt to try.
İ believe they mentioned about that and said it was done on purpose in order reveal Sam systems position against Cas players.
Obviously its bad in gameplay aspect for Spaa players but it is what Gaijin chose to do.
Yes, i know. It was in this context. Some studies used flares, those studies wouldn’t be valid here for missiles themselves.
Another cope post by Malekitth
Reduced smoke motors are strong, but definitly not impossible to defend against, its just a learning curve. Keep track of the enemy, pre-flare, then jam the WEZ, or kill them at range if possible.
If you’re dying from planes you didnt see, its unlikely you wouldve noticed the missile with or without hi-visibility smoke. If you’re dying DESPITE seeing the plane, thats a skill issue.
If you cant figure it out vs 9M’s, you’re gonna have a REALLY bad day when the AMRAAM becomes the standard NATO weapon.
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Yeah you can call me that i like it feel more honored than being call Russian main (even i’m enjoying Sweden now) also this Erika boi love drinking Russian main blood and tears and having fun killing them (why didn’t i? seeing them get dominate and get Russian main kill streak kinda satisfied)
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True but at same time if you make thing that impacts all missile why not add to all of them. It would be just additional thing gaijin could brag about they have contrail for missiles
The biggest thing is if gaijin would want put in work for this and if they would code it correctly.
Not quite like a 9L. Reduced smoke motors contrails are either HCL+water vapour, or pure water vapour. The more water vapour there is (proportionately), the less the contrail is visible, and the less it lasts.
Reduced smoke motors (depending on the generation) should therefore still have less visible and less lomg lasting contrails at high alt, but yeah they should be more visible in the cons than below them.
Another issue though is gaijin’s contrail floor is too low, and they dont have a contrail ceiling, which would be really important imo if they actually got their lofting mechanics right…
<---- looks forward to Meteor and no russian equivalent
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Gripen E gonna be nasty carrying 7 meteors and 2 Iris-T
yeah, those days are going to be fun. Or firing off an ASRAAM at 30kms.
was confused for a moment, but yeah you included the fuel pod slots, in that case the typhoon would have nice 9 meteors and 2 iris-t