Lying in arguments to make them seem more valid is pointless. When we are arguing, I’m going to address lying first and then we can move into the real issue. Instead of you saying “alright you’re correct” and moving on, you doubled down for the span of 20 texts of ignorance and other non sense you weren’t up for a proper debate anymore. You rather spend 20 texts to troll than 1 text to admit to your mistake so we can properly argue about something. Even after that, you were trolling and not open up to debate about your other claims. If you want to debate you have to be ready to own up a mistake instead of acting up.
Either way, regardless of who is wrong over there, I think it’s kind of petty for him to derail conversations in this thread because of old beef somewhere else.
USA has always had an advantage in the sheer amount of ground ordinance it carries, if you’re going for maximum destruction USA is better but in terms of the best A2G weapons and it’s capabilities I think France is really strong.
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Sorry im not gonna waste my time by reading your long pointless argument, if you cant get over this its your problem not mine.
Also what happened to part where you told me that you were not gonna answer me anymore?
Seems like you cant even stay loyal to your words let alone acting like grown person.
The only derailment issue comes from any other arguing against an exact fact provided with a link. Move on with the knowledge that if you disagree with him, it may not lead to anything constructive.
It is useful information for anyone who is going to “debate” him on anything. What is not good is the pointless spammy replies from both of you. Acknowledge it, move on. I provided the context as you wanted, are you moving on? (don’t complain about derailing if you contribute to it)
+1.
Like you and i explained it comes to personal choices in that case.
Also in context of derailing, we have both of you talking about other A2G weapons when the post is literally made about the smoke visibility of 9M.
What are you even doing? Are you the debate police following him around doing us a huge favour making sure everyone knows about your disagreement? Grow up.
Sure it went slightly off topic for a second, that’s not the end of the world - all threads to that. At least it stems from a discussion regarding top tier jet capabilities which is fundamental in whether or not 9M is appropriate
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It isn’t about 9M being appropriate or not, its about the fact that 9M was not smokeless, it was low smoke. The issue is the missile being unrealistic in terms of smoke, not the placement of BR/anything else. The smoke is directly causing the issue as stated by the post. Starting to argue about balance or other nonsense is just a derailment.
Ingame the missile is smokeless in conditions where it should not be smokeless.
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That’s going to be an issue with other missiles too, not just the 9M. Inversely, the 54C should also have a low smoke motor but it does not under any conditions.
Exactly. It is an issue. Not a good thing. I’m currently thinking about comparing atmospheric conditions of the test launches using evidence based graphics so we can provide something to gaijin…
Yes it is, of course there’s going to be discussion regarding the 9M, it’s the only smokeless missile we have., the OP also made several statements in the post, where he name-dropped the 9M which we are disputing and discussing, here are a few:
Did you even read the post or did you just read the title?
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İn terms of “low smoke” and”smokeless” are different kind of thing.
For example Aim-54C like you mentioned should have low smoke and should be able to detected depends on distance, Aim-9M on the other hand cannot be detected during launch and mid flight if you are fire at low to medium alt.
All of that stuff is irrelevant to the real issue of smokelessness. You don’t argue about balancing of a broken missile, you can argue about how to fix the broken missile and when that broken missile is fixed into it’s real condition you concentrate on balancing. Fix first, then balance, this is the logic that software development follows.
Yeah, more on the principle that missiles need some rework.
Gonna need a source for that
This is probably true. It could possibly still have considerably less smoke at different atmospheric conditions though.
Exactly but that requires good amount time and effort and im not sure Gaijin is ready to make an effort in that case.
Sure, but don’t come here and say that everything besides the smoke-ness is irrelevant and derailment to this thread. It’s not.
Sure, but not at Gaijin. Aim9M has been here for a while, it’s here to stay. If you want to give it smoke at certain conditions, find a source about it and make a bug report.
Like the picture @BLACKJACKSIX posted or the video I posted? You can check the previous replies to see that.
This is the key section that Gaijin has to work on, the thing requires significant amount of time and effort so i highly doubt they will work on this case anytime soon.