thoughts on the KNIL ( The Royal Netherlands East Indies Army ) to be combined with Indonesia to bolster the lower tier vehicles? I might be wrong but I believe they are not the same as the Royal Netherlands Army
might as well make it a dutch subtree))
well I’m just throwing ideas out there, and to be fair some of their vehicles was operated by Indonesians as they ended up being captured by the Japanese which helped oversee the independence movement
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Captured vehicles and tank used by the Japanese in patrolling the city of during the early stages of the declaration of an Indonesian Republic under the Soekarno (Sukarno) Government. From left to right are a Vickers Light Tank MK VI B (previously of B Squadron of the 3rd King’s Own Hussars and left in Tandjong Priok 20.02.42), 2 x Marmon Herrington MK III armoured cars, ex-KNIL White M3A1 Scout car and a Japanese Type 97 Te-ke Tankette.
maybe the Marmon Herrington MK III ? but it would perform really bad, like worse than the Csaba.
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Captured Japanese Mk. III (formerly operated by the KNIL, 1st Independent recon squadron) manned by Indonesian nationalist POWs in 1942.
Dimensions (L-W-H) = 5.18 x 2 x 2.67 m (17 x 6.56 x 8.76 ft)
Weight empty/loaded = 5.3/5.6 tons (11,760/12,500 lbs)
Armament = 1 x .55 cal (14 mm) Boys AT rifle, 1 x.303 Vickers/Bren
Armor = Sides 0.24 in, front 0.47 in (6/12 mm)
Crew = 3 (driver, gunner, radio/gunner)
Propulsion = Ford V8 liquid-cooled gasoline 95 bhp
Transmission = Manual 4/1 w/2 spd-tmsf
Suspension = 4x4 independent leaf springs, Ft axle steering
Max speed = 88.5 km/h (55 mph)
Range = 322 km (200 mi)
source: Marmon-Herrington Mk. III (1941)
Dont know whether they are captured, but these Chevy trucks mounted with water-cooled 50cals could be a tier 1 SPAA too
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Koninklijk Nederlands Indisch Leger (Royal Netherlands East Indies Army) #KNIL mobile AA gun units in Java Island, 1940s
source: Dutch Institute for Military History (NIMH)
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oh but i meant indonesia as a dutch subtree lmao, who doesn’t love some drama
that would be funny but I dont think Netherlands’ vehicles suffice for a full nation unfortunately
With the Thailand sub-tree being passed to the devs I dont think Indonesia will become a sub-tree for Japan, unless they decided to make it a combination of two nations like @Mahiwew said here
But i can see it working by implementing only some, not all of Indonesian vehicles are implemented, as i mentioned before
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no but a benelux tree (belgium + netherlands) does
well, add that to the list of nations that can possibly get the sub-tree, albeit quite a controversial one
that’s the fun part
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I’m not entirely sure yet. I’m not the best at air assets but if anyone else wants it by all means.
+1 in an ASEAN tree
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yeah why not? then again the dutch are the weaker one in terms of actual military power, their power came from the deeply entrenched colonialism in the system.
ahh okay
well if someone wants to do that, feel free to do so. I already put the basic list of planes possible, but ill put it here again just in case:
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the BR and some of the image is not accurate to the actual vehicles, they’re just placeholders
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You forgot the Ki-51 “Guntei”, the only surviving example of which is on display in the Indonesian Airforce Museum
Also the A-4E’s should actually be A-4H’s since Indonesian Skyhawks are actually Israeli Skyhawks that they acquire via the United States
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oh yeah I forgot about them
for the Skyhawks, I’m not sure whether its A-4H/E. most sources that I read states that they’re A-4Es. But to be honest I don’t quite know exactly what the differences are between them
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“…these were A-4Es and TA-4Hs from Israeli stocks.”
“Some of the Israeli built avionics were removed, but the A-4s retained the DEFA 30mm cannon
and extended tailpipes.”“In 1982 an additional sixteen surplus A-4Es were purchased directly from US stocks and were refurbished before delivery”
“Indonesia considered buying TA-4PTMs from Malaysia, but acquired a pair of ex-USN TA-4Js instead. The TA-4Js were refurbished by Safe Air Engineering at Woodbourne, New Zealand.”
Source : Douglas A-4 Skyhawk: Attack & Close-Support Fighter Bomber by Jim Winchester
By Museum Pusat TNI AU Dirgantara Mandala Yogyakarta, CC BY-SA 4.0, File:An Indonesian Air Force A-4-Skyhawk TT-0440 at Dirgantara Mandala Museum.jpg - Wikimedia Commons
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anyway, here’s the full list of planes that could be implemented for the Indonesian Air Force throughout the years(not including helicopters). Some planes I omitted intentionally due to them being early biplanes with no guns, for others I might’ve just forgotten about them
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Sorted by Manufacturers
yellow means in order/planned
- A
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Aero Vodochody (CZE)
- CS-102 (MiG-15UTI)
- CS-107 (Mig-17F)
- L-29 Delfin
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Avia Motors (CZE)
- B-33 (IL-10)
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- B
-
BAE Systems (GBR)
- Hawk 53
- Hawk 109
- Hawk 209
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Bristol Aeroplane Company (GBR)
- Blenheim Mk.IV (Sakae engine swapped)
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Boeing Defense, Space & Security (USA)
- (*)F-15IDN (F-15EX Eagle II)
-
- C
-
Commonwealth Aircraft Corporation (AUS)
- CA-27 Mk.31 Avon Sabre
- CA-27 Mk.32 Avon Sabre
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Consolidated Aircraft (USA)
- PBY-5A Catalina
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- D
-
Dassault Aviation (FRA)
- (*)Raffale F4
- (*)Mirage 2000 5EDA (1x seat)
- (*)Mirage 2000 5DDA (2x seats)
-
de Havilland (GBR)
- Vampire T.11
- Vampire T.55
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Douglas Aircraft Company (USA)
- A-4E/F Skyhawk (likely the E version)
- TA-4H (Training versions of Skyhawk)
- TA-4J (Training versions of Skyhawk)
- B-26B-Invader (A-26B with a different designation)
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- E
- Embraer S.A. (BRA)
- EMB 314 Super Tucano
- Embraer S.A. (BRA)
- G
- General Dynamics/Lockheed Martin (USA)
- F-16A Fighting Falcon Block 15 OCU (Operational Capability Upgrade) (1x seat)
- F-16B Fighting Falcon Block 15 OCU (Operational Capability Upgrade) (2x seats)
- F-16AM Fighting Falcon Block 20 MLU (upgraded F-16A) (1x seat)
- F-16BM Fighting Falcon Block 20 MLU (upgraded F-16B) (2x seats)
- F-16C Fighting Falcon Block 52ID (Block 32+) (1x seat)
- F-16D Fighting Falcon Block 52ID (Block 32+) (2x seats)
- General Dynamics/Lockheed Martin (USA)
- I
- Ilyushin Aviation Complex (SUN)
- IL-28R (minus one front cannon)
- IL-28T (torpedo variant)
- Ilyushin Aviation Complex (SUN)
- K
-
Korea Aerospace Industries (KOR)
- (*)IF-X (KF-21 Boramae’s local designation)
- T-50i Golden Eagle
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Kawanishi Aircraft Company (JPN)
- H6K2-1
- N1K1
- Ki-48
- Ki-61-Otsu
-
- L
- NPO Lavochkin (SUN)
- La-9UTI
- La-11
- NPO Lavochkin (SUN)
- M
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Mikoyan and Gurevich Design Bureau (SUN)
- MiG-19S
- MiG-21F-13
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Mitsubishi Aircraft Company (JPN)
- Ki-51 Guntei
- F1M
-
- N
-
Nakajima Aircraft Company (JPN)
- A6M2-N
- Ki-27 Otsu
- Ki-43-II Hayabusa
- Ki-49 Donryu
- Yokosuka K5Y
-
North American Aviation (USA)
- B-25C-Mitchell
- B-25D-Mitchell
- B-25J-Mitchell
- P-51D (6x 12.7 browning)
- P-51K (6x 12.7 browning)
- Rockwell OV-10F Bronco
- T-6G Texan (Harvard)
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Northrop Corporation (USA)
- F-5E Tiger II
- F-5F Tiger II
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- S
- JSC Sukhoi Company (RUS)
- Su-27SK (Flanker-B)
- Su-27SKM (Flanker-B) (upgraded Su-27SK)
- Su-30MK (Flanker-H)
- Su-30MKK (Flanker-G)
- Su-30MK2 (Flanker-G+) (upgraded SU-30MK)
- JSC Sukhoi Company (RUS)
- T
- Tupolev Design Bureau (SUN)
- Tu-2s
- Tu-16 (Badger A)
- Tu-16KS-1 (Badger B)
- Tupolev Design Bureau (SUN)
- W
- WSK-Mielec (POL)
- Lim-5P (Mig-17PF)
- WSK-Mielec (POL)
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Adding More Picture of indonesia Vehicle
Super Tucano
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If someone can also help me tier these planes that would be very much appreciated
forgot to mention a small correction, the actual name of the Yonkav 2 AMX is the AMX-13/105 Retrofit,
TL;DR, its referred to as the AMX-13/105 retrofit, but people often call it the Yonkav 2, either due to mistake or as a nickname which refers to the battalion that the tank serves in
explanation:
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- "AMX-13/105 Retrofit is major modernization and upgrade program done by local defense firm PT. PINDAD featuring reworked front glacis to accommodate new diesel engine & transmission, new torsion bar suspension, updated FCS (laser range finder, thermal imager, day camera) new 105 mm gun (GIAT CN 105 G1) and turret (Steyr JT-1 Oscillating turret) from SK-105 Kürassier."
reference:
- AMX-13 Variants (Indonesia)
- Amazon Compact Fire Control System
- Robinson M. P. Lau P. & Gibeau G. (2017). The AMX 13 light tank : rare photographs from wartime archives . Pen and Sword Military.
It is often called Yonkav 2 because thats the name of the cavalry battalion that uses the tank (Cavalry Battalion 2 in english, or in Indonesian, Batalyon Kavaleri 2/Turangga Ceta). Turangga Ceta means white horse in Javanese if im not mistaken.
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The logo
In addition, the alternative name for the battalion is Yon Kav 2/Tank, so it is understandable how people got the names mixed up
“…the Indonesian Army first attempted to develop a modernisation package for its AMX-13/75 light tanks that could potentially increase their lifespan by at least an another decade. Popularly known as the Yonkav 2 (named after the cavalry unit it entered service with: Batalyon Kav aleri 2 ), the plan was to upgun the fleet of AMX-13s armed with a 75mm cannon with a 105mm cannon by Nexter. The turret was also upgraded with additional armour, a laser-range finder (LRF) and a thermal sight. The mobility of the Yonkav 2 was addressed through the installation of a 400hp Detroit Diesel engine and a new transmission. Although the resulting design could almost be described as a new tank (or perhaps for this reason), only small numbers eventually entered service with the Batalyon Kavaleri 2.”
List of modifications
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Reference
-The Turkish Tiger: Indonesia’s Kaplan MT Tank (AMX-13 retrofit subchapter)
more videos of the tank:
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heres a short clip of the turret rotation and suspension (starts at 1:53)
https://youtu.be/TlaVQndsYK4?si=9iuHIcSc9r_tH5K3&t=113
here is a closer look of the tank
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZHfHzviA44
Night urban warfare training along with other vehicles (starts at 2:40)
https://youtu.be/qEi8cCmmoOU?si=3ePedivS1BOsuwFu&t=156