U really have no idea do u?
telling me the 2S38 is faster then the HSVL is really a fucking bad joke. And understanding the importance of a gun that is mounted at top + having gun depression vs having a gun u need to expose and having no gun depression.
Tell me, how much of any of those two tanks have your played? U didnt played both, only hstv with a negative KD? What a shame then… maybe do that first before claiming anything u have no clue about.
im in game right now and the HSTV-L has 631 hp and weighs 20T while the 2s38 has 953 and weighs 21T, so somethin tells me the wikis a bit off
The 2S38 doesn’t have anywhere close to 900HP.
Wiki says about 500 hp. Might be a in-game bug? Looking right now…
only if u check arcade stats, there it has 900+, and hstv over 1200 xD
no, you can literally hull down in it and be fine since theres no crew in the gun, while the HSTVL has a gunner
almost like its… not that good? Not to mention how poorly gaijins been beating america down the last few updates
playing the game can give you a good enough idea of how something performs, its not much different from only having 40 games in the 2s38
even still, most of the differences are negligible, or atleast certainly not almost a 2.0 gap, ive never argued the 2s38 is better than the HSTVL, i just think theyre on par, and the 2s38 should also go to 12.0
What he just said^
I just test drove both (yes I have unlocked the HSTV-L) and the HSTV-L handles much better. Very fast with high turret traverse speeds. The ammo count really hurts though.
thats the main reason why i consider the two as on par, the 2S38 can run on its own for the entire game while the HSTVL gets, idk, maybe two kills if its lucky before needing to run back to base
Like I said, I have popped lots of 2S38s because they have ammo in the turret.
I agree. The 2S38 is certainly not worse by a 1.7 gap. I doubt they are one par though. Maybe around 0.3 or 0.7 BR difference.
There is definitively something in that. Two kills is pretty bad though. Maybe more like 4 or 5 kills. I have seen guys go wild and get 8 or 10 kills very quickly in the HSTV-L (on youtube but I think it still counts)
Dude… do you think M24 Chaffee [3.7] and M41A3 in China [5.0] are equally unjustified?
I don’t know if M41A3 is double the mobility of M24, but its round is certainly better.
I get you love the 2S38 and like defending it, but USA made a better tank. There’s a reason HSTVL was cancelled due to cost reasons and 2S38 wasn’t.
The 2S38 cannot run on its own the entire game, you’re thinking of an MBT like Leopard 2A4.
Also the HSTVL does not have 4 rounds of ammo as your post incorrectly implies, it has 26, which is enough for a KDR of 13:1.
what??? when did i say that??? dont put words in my mouth. gaijin is just doing some good old russian bias, the high SURVIVABILITY test vehicle is the least survivable vehicle in top tier because gaijin hates it
yeah it can, with that ammo supply?
never said that, dont put words in my mouth.
mostly depends on luck honestly, sometimes you can one shot tanks in the lfp with it, sometimes ive shot 6 rounds into the side of a T72 and only get their commander, you can do really well in it, its just tanks like this have much more of a luck aspect than usual, not to mention how much better the AA capacity is with the 2s38 while the HSTVL sacrifices a good portion of its ground kills for maybe a single air kill
I can imagine the round is iffy but 6 shots in the side and no kill?! I am going to guess that conditions were far from optimal if that actually happened.
If I remember correctly the 2S38 was actually designed as an SPAA rather than a light tank. Not sure about that though. In game it plays the SPAA role very well which is something the HSTV-L can do but, like you said, it has to sacrifice anti-tank capabilities to some extent. The lower fire rate doesn’t help any either.
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I never once claimed you said the words in my post.
The first one is my opinion, my perspective on your post.
Your quote omitted the word “implied” which is explicitly not words.
26 rounds is more than enough for a 10 frag match with 6 to spare for even worse shots.
I aim for 1 round 1 frag personally, but I do expect the average player to aim for 2 rounds per frag.
HSTVL is the 2nd best light tank in-game.
It’s the fastest tracked vehicle in the game. It’s the most mobile vehicle in the game.
It uses the 2nd best autocannon in the game, 2nd to only Italian auto-cannons.
And its gun depression angles allow for it to sit on rocks while shooting enemies [much to the annoyance of players on the receiving end].
Even if you average it out to 3 rounds per target you still would get almost 9 kills. However there is no getting away from the fact that the HSTV-L has a low ammo count for an auto-canon. A good player won’t be effected as much but newer players might.
All very good points. Second best in the game though? Can’t wait to unlock it if that is indeed the case!
Yes, it is a low amount. However, I am not aiming to be the best player on the planet.
And as for playstyle, play it like you play the Begleitpanzer, 2S38, etc but it can go way faster.
Aim for ammo whenever possible.
It’s better to not fire on the front aspect of a tank and instead search for weaker targets.
Scout the heavy armor, shoot the vulnerable.
And there’s even better advice out there than that.
Even if you use 11 rounds per frag, that’s still a KDR of 2:1.
There are people that bring only 16 rounds of ammo for their Leopard 2s intending to only ever do their average in it, and then spawn more Leopard 2 after.
That is a valid tactic. It’s not for me, but to those aiming to do well across multiple spawns it’s arguably the best tactic.
Thanks for the tips! Gonna sign off now; gotta hit the sack XD
first of all i have over 80 games and not 40… but whatever. But second of all, having a negative KD in a tank dosnt really say “i am pro, i know what i am arguing about”
The ONLY downside the HSTV-L has is the low ammo, thats why i personally play the RDF, who dosnt have that issue.
And? Who care about a dead commander? He is not needed anyways xD
But try to hit smt fital on my HSTV when i am on a hill -15 degree gundepression. Good luck with that. But a 2S38, on a shallow hill, he shows a lot, and due to the lesser hill incline it needs to travel more distance to get into full cover and out of cover. As the steeper the hill the faster ich can fall back + the lesser distance i need to move aswell.
I also dont see the 2S38 at 10.3, but its a LOT worse then HSTV-L/RDF.
2S38 at 11.7 or smt similar would get asskicked like crazy. It aleady gets kicked ass on a lot of maps right now tbh.
I suggest you go to assault mode and research for the M829, you only need like one good successful match to unlock that round, then it becomes one of the easiest vehicles to spade.
Just played German and Russian top tier for the better part of two hours and it was a miserable experience. I hate this update.