Imbalance

Hello everyone, my name is Vladyslav.

I’d like to share some observations regarding what I believe to be an unfair balance in battle ratings (BR) within the game, specifically in aviation battles, which I primarily focus on.

The Issue with Battle Ratings:

Some aircraft have significantly under- or over-rated BRs, allowing players to abuse this in matches. For example, let’s compare the Pe-8 and the Lancaster Mk III:

  • Pe-8 has a BR of 4.3 in realistic battles and 5.3 in simulator battles. It’s armed with two 20mm cannons, two 12.7mm machine guns, and two 7.62mm machine guns, like the ShKAS. The rear-facing firepower alone includes two ShVAK cannons and two UBT machine guns, making it a formidable opponent.
  • Lancaster Mk III only has two 12.7mm machine guns and four 7.62mm machine guns. Yet, its BR is significantly higher: 5.3 in realistic battles and 6.0 in simulator battles. Its defensive capabilities are far inferior, making it much easier to shoot down, yet the BR comparison between these aircraft is perplexing.

Moving Forward:

The B-29 is another example, with a BR of 7.3 in realistic and 7.0 in simulator battles. Although it’s well-defended, it’s a large target with smaller bombs compared to the Lancaster or Pe-8, yet it has a much higher BR. Many players on this forum have already pointed out that the B-29’s BR should be lowered to at least 6.7, as it’s frequently targeted by Me 262s.

Similarly, the B-57A and B-57B have BRs of 8.3 in realistic and 8.0 in simulator battles, while the Il-28Sh has a BR of 8.0 in both modes, despite having better defenses with only slight differences in performance.

I’ve selectively highlighted aircraft, but the situation with tanks is even worse. For instance, the KV, T-34, and IS series have underrated BRs despite their armor, allowing players to exploit this imbalance.

I anticipate that some will rush to defend these imbalances without presenting any valid arguments, but I believe it’s a discussion worth having.

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Both take an eternity to grind and modify and the chances of you getting multiple kills with out killing your teammates is slim.You waste much of your game flying backwards and forwards to base.They are about right where they are.A good pilot can shoot them down.

It is recognized that heavy bombers suffer in this game as it is.

The question is not about suffering, but about not matching the balance. In the bole of the Soviet tree

That meant nothing ,sorry.I don’t know what your point is overall.It takes so many games to get the the PE8 and the big bomb and it is rare I get multiple kills. I have x6 etc but it is rare .You would be more likely to get better kills in a tank and have no team kill

I’m not sure what your point is, high bomb load/big bomb = higher BR?

You didn’t give any good reasons why it should be hire but big bomb = higher BR - so yeah, thats not how balancing works.

the PE-8s flight performance is like a thrown brick, even for a Bomber. It sits fine where it is.

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Tell me who pumped B29 and two Lancasters

NO! I’m talking about Pe-8, he has a low B,R

Of course it is imbalanced the game can never be balanced as Gaijin try and add everything to the game that was ever made, mocked up in wood or clay, failed in the prototype stage or was dreamed up in a drunken stupor because you feared the Gulag or firing squad.
To make the game balanced would be far far too difficult for Gaijin to do it is too much work and effort, also the amount of vehicles would have to be stripped back by a huge amount or there would be many more tiers, game modes or similar mechanics to make certain vehicles useful and playable. On top of this there are simple not enough players, the player base is already spread thin over the current modes and tiers.
There are already glaring time travel anomalies in the game and a lot of the scout and AAA vehicles are already pretty useless or over buffed to make them fit in, they were never intended to be toe-to-toe on the frontline.
All in all it is a bit of a crap game, people just seem to be mesmerized by the graphics, terrain and explosions.

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But if directly, then everything is much worse than you wrote.

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  2. they put Soviet technology higher than better for silence.
    And they argue with the fact that “We have few documents, few facts and Soviet equipment blah blah blah It was easier to get documents” and This is them Seriously…
    I don’t know how, but I had a large tank encyclopedia, and my friend was given the same one, but about planes…
    And it was in Ukraine that I had it in English… which I am still learning

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    Just look and read what educational institutions they graduated from.

  4. Google, Apple, Steam services are currently being restricted in Russia! about three days ago, problems with entering these services began
    And the developers “guessed” and made sure that Russian and Belarusian players did not lose access, “transferred” the “service” to another company
    Strange coincidence, isn’t it?

  5. They will repeat the mistakes of many ambitious projects that fell into the abyss due to the same mistakes…
    And the main mistake is poor communication with the Community

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No it’s fine where it is.

I agree completely with the Pe-8 vs Lancaster comparison, but its not something that can be fixed yet. It is something I hope gets fixed when Split BRs go down to a lower BR. 5.3 is fine for the Lancaster in GRB, but it is too high for ARB.

Hopefully we dont have to wait too long.

B-29 is a victim of Gaijin balancing aircraft based upon bomb load not performance. Same reason the Buc S2 is 9.3

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Well, you will see for yourself, the bomb load is the same PE-8 and Lancaster… What is the bomb load here… Or is this some kind of selective policy of hatred towards the US tree.
This is a real pain F3D-1 fly on it… And it balances to IL-28Sh or Yak-15, while Yak-15 has more advantages.

Based upon:

Lancaster can take 2x Bases
Pe-8 can take out 2-3x bases based upon BR
B-29 can take out 5x bases

Thats what I meant about bomb load. Back when ARB matches could be ended by bombers (by destroying the bases and then airfield) 1-2 B-29s could end a match quite easily (iirc)

and as I said, balancing aircraft based upon that fact is wrong and the B-29 is not alone.

Buc S2. No guns, only A2A is 2x Aim-9B. At 9.3 because it can take out 3+ bases.
Sea-Vixen is 8.7 with no guns and 4x Red Tops

Overall they have a comparable flight performance, with the Buc having slightly better acceleration.

You seriously need to get a working translator.

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LOL
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https://wiki.warthunder.com/Enduring_Confrontation

B29 is not difficult to knock down in Arcade! THIS is a fact. How many Jets do we have for 7.3 (this is the combat rating of the B-29)? Nachnaya from 6.7 …
Well, let’s leave the jets, 70% will aim to shoot down the B-29. Your script with b-29 can work in several cases

  1. Sometimes it’s just lucky.
  2. When you play in a group
    And I think everything… because in other cases a swarm is flying at you!

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