I just quoted what your description said under the vehicles so you might want to fix that
I don’t want Russian bias to get it, cause I want ZA to get something that isn’t just called a copy-and-paste and have some uniqueness even if the Barys 8x8 is added a few updates later plus Britain needs a top tier IFV
I don’t really care who gets it first, alls I know is that Kazakhs use it.
T80 BMP
T80BVM BMP with disco lights
Aunt Petunia of IFVs
does this use the same chasis as the BMP2 and if so does it have the same troop compartment doors as the BMP2
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I’m pretty sure it’s more similar to the BMP-3
HJ-12 is a Javelin analogue. Spikes and Akeron are a whole different ballgame.
*VBL Mk3. Anyway, how can you talk about that without talking about the Scarabee with Akeron.
Scarabee is even cooler - it can crab crawl!!
VBL spotted i will once again shamelessly plug my baby the VBL HOT/ATM
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I wonder why people think missile launchers are IFVs.
If your fr*nch vehicle is only armed with ATGMs - it’s a tank destroyer. It’s not an IFV.
Chinese SPAA such as the SWS-2 are closer to IFVs than this.
With a modified 35mm that offers double the RPM of the regular - equalizing the RPMs found on the twin cannon Gepard/PGZ09 layout. While also having a radar and TY-90s. And AHEAD (still not functional in the game sadly.), and APDS.
The SWS-2 is both an IFV and a capable anti-air.
Woah oh! Fun police!
Man’s joking around. Let him be. Anyway, you’re the one that started the dick measuring contest in the first place:
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You seriously going to sit there and tell me it’s not an off-brand (albeit more obese) VBL? VBL entered production in 1985, quick google search says VN3 development ended in 2007.
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What did I “instigate”, everyone was having a laugh about how the Chinese straight-up copied the French vehicles. But then your precious ego got bruised because “huh duh China must be no. 1” - see, right here:
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Jaguar offers a 40mm auto cannon with frag with double the affect area as other OTAN 40mm frags to deal with infantry, HEVT for close air defence, APDS for light to medium armor penetration (170-194mm of penetration), a fire rate of 200 rounds a minute, and the AKERON for self defence against heavy armor. The AKERON is not it’s main mean of fighting. That’s the definition of an IFV by my book.
VBL mk3 is not an IFV. It’s at best a reconnaissance vehicle that happens to be able to deal with tanks it they meet one, and with infantry if they meet some as well.
Mephisto, and other 4 wheeled drive vehicles with HOT or Milan are also reconnaissance/anti armor vehicles, not IFVs. I don’t think anyone said they were IFVs. the AMX10 would at best be an APC, fullfilling the role of a light IFV in game
You are simply creating movies in your head thinking the world is against you. That nxdefiant was not part of our previous discussion at all. Stop being offended by just seeing some genuine funny French rat vehicles that are absolutely not part of our previous discussion lol
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Knowing gaijin the Jaguar will be botched and end up having 113 pen apds and the atgm’s will fail to hit a target in an open field.
Have you considered that it is literally the same vehicle?
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The ATM turret can mount 30mm cannon module on either side of the turret. So this is an IFV. And with both you can even turn it into a gun spaa if you really need to.
Though if i wanted to talk about a SPAA i would get pics of the VAB TA23 (but this is not the thread) (yes i am once again plugging in my own suggestions in)
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It does not carry infantry nor is it meant to support them on the front, thus it is not an IFV.
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Why does this Cactus vehicle have a red Chinese star