Behold South Africa’s answer for a British 2S38 counter
Can anyone find me a simulair graph as to the bottom pic, 'cause I want to compare the size in graph form
Chinese Fox
The same vehicle but under the name of Barys 8x8 can be added to the USSR.
Well - it’s clearly a Russian turret, you said so yourself.
So not really a Western answer. This is clearly some kind of Russian export and not an actual SA vehicle. It would fit better in the Russian tree. And I’m not surprised that Kingtiez mentioned it:
You consider South Africa under the power of Black, thieving, “communist” Terrorists Western
Please not another 2S38 bias machine plus ZA tested it and deserves it more
In the same way that I consider Britain under the power of Indians Western?
Some other ifvs / wheeled ifvs using the 10030 weapon system (shared by tieba user YS8575)
🇨🇳ZBD04
🇨🇳 A kind of airborne vehicle that appeared at the same time as VN3
🇨🇳VN20
🇷🇺 new bmp3s
🇷🇺BMP3M
🇷🇺BTR90M
🇷🇺object782
🇷🇺bmp2mbakhcha-u
🇮🇹OF-40 chassis converted to an ifv
🇹🇷 A wheeled ifv
🇦🇪 an ifv that appeared in the UAE
🇰🇿🇹🇷🇨🇳 tested ifv using Chinese turret and Turkish chassis
🇹🇷ACV-SW
🇫🇮 Patria
The information may be incorrect, please correct me if I was wrong.
M113 HVMS (2x3 and 4x7 Autoloaders) credit to @ofekk213 and his insane full potential Israeli Tech Tree. The text and images are taken from his tech tree and I highly recommend that you go check the entire thing out. It has a ton of well researched info and super rare pictures of a ton of obscure Israeli ground vehicles
" The M113 HVMS is an Israeli technology demonstrator for the Israeli-Italian 60mm HVMS gun. It was offered for the IDF but they were not interested. The M113 HVMS features a 60mm cannon capable of firing HE and APFSDS with strength comparable to 60s 105mm and 115mm APFSDS. It has an incredibly quick fire rate of 100rds/min. The M113 HVMS was also tested with the ARPAM sensor combo, which features the LWS-2 laser warning system from the Merkava Mk.3 and the Violin Mk.1 softkill APS. ARPAM can be seen in the image gallery. There was also a single image of the M113 HVMS spotted with the L-VAS era package."
2x3:
" This one specifically is the M113 HVMS with the 2x3 autoloader (2 magazines of 3 shells each). This loading mechanism is rather unique, alternatigally feeding the gun from both magazines. The loading of the magazines themselves is likely manual and done by the crew members."
4x7:
" This one specifically is the M113 HVMS with the 4x7 autoloader (4 clips of 7 rounds each). The loading mechanism of each magazine is quite similar to a Bofors L/70 autocannon, with every magazine inserted manually and the gun loading each new shell from the magazine using the force of recoil."
Some of these are very interesting. Thank you for sharing.
They can both get it, they’d both just get added under different names.
Once again looks like they copied a French vehicle, first VAB mephisto, the Crotal car, now VBL xD
“Ok you can copy my homework but just change a few things so it’s not obvious”
Considering it’s far superior - just like the AFT-09 is, I wouldn’t call it a copy.
Not to mention that it’s a very normative shape for an AFV. Really reminding me of the Palworld controversy where Nintendrones claimed a wolf looks like a wolf.
How far superior ?
Also give tandem HOT-3 to the Mephisto that is still lacking and we will see x)
Anyway i was just talking about visually
also engine buff coming (sneak peek) and weight reduction (another sneak peek) and fire on the move (for a stabilised vehicle known for firing missiles that can be fired from moving helps it’s a wonder why it’s not already in game) could make the mephisto more than just simply better. Smin stated they they knew Mephisto could use HOT3 but would not add them cause to OP. I guess there’s still some skill issue between French and Chinese players lol.
As for the VBL, I doubt the Chinese have anything similar to this :
And I made an example of that.
Perhaps if you stopped making everythung into a competition against France you wouldn’t have such discussions with what you refer to as “pseudo-experts”
Guy talk about things he is clueless about with so much conviction I can’t help but have fun with that
You realize that you’re the one who confronted first with the “muh copy from France” remark, right?
Im sorry where ?
